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my

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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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so chris o'brien is back

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from his sojourn from his mission of

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mercy or his

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secret voyage

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under the tutelage of the cia no it

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we're not really cia agents here because

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if we were we're notoriously underpaid

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and obama's got to sign those checks

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well i was a colorado investigative

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associate

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okay but i'm in arizona now so i'm i'm

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aia

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no i went to uh to work with david

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perkins in santa fe it's the third well

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the fourth

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session that we've had

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plotting out

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and kind of fine tuning our approach for

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mute speak which is the working title

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for the

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follow-up book the stock and herd which

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will be a complete

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analysis of all that data

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that's contained in those 600 pages that

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gene

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uh is kind of familiar with although his

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eyes probably glazed over like many

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people

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upon

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being faced with the preponderance of

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data that's in that book and it's a big

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job

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analyzing thousands and thousands of

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cattle mutilation cases but

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hey somebody's got to do it it's still

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an ongoing problem we still have cases

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being reported david perkins is the most

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knowledgeable person in the field

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about that particular mystery

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and i'm honored to

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have him as co-author for the follow-up

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book what we've been doing is kicking

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around uh various theories

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kicking around quite a bit of

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permutations really uh for lack of a

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better term

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i like that word permutations it implies

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so many things

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yeah well there's a lot of things to

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it's been a you know quite the process

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uh every time i go there it's almost 900

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miles for me

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about 900 miles round trip and

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this last trip was especially tough

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because i got back and then

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ended up going up to the canyon a couple

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times and up to antelope canyon and

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paige and i i don't know i i

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i don't know how many miles i did in the

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but it was uh considerable up around

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2000 miles so

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that and trying to keep up with the

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jungle in my yard and

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and uh stuff i've been uh super busy but

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i'm back i'm back in the saddle again

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i'm looking forward to today's show and

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upcoming shows we've got some great

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guests

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coming up we also are talking with gary

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lachman who was the original bass player

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for blondie and

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he's written a number of books that

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examine the occult and its

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relationship

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in the soft white underbelly of rock and

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roll

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he's written also a book about colin

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wilson one of my favorite authors and

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we're going to be talking with him here

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in the coming weeks and

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we also are talking with rick straussman

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who of course is famous for his dmt

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research

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here in arizona or in new mexico rather

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with uh with dimethyltryptamine

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spirit molecule

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we got a ton of good-looking shows

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coming up gene i'm i'm real excited and

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i'm also looking forward to to today's

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show with david weatherly and lionel

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blackburn now this is important here

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because it's been a long time

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since we've had our really

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first class show

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on bigfoot and related subjects i mean

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we've been doing ufos

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we've done some psychic stuff but

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bigfoot when was the last time we had a

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show like that

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well you know linda was on fairly

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recently she is a contributing

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along with ken gearhart and lyle david

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richard freeman nick redford micah hanks

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david has a publishing company called

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leprechaun press

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what they've done is they put together

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the journal of susquash research and

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wood knox

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is the first uh volume one of uh

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the journal and every year they're going

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to be coming out with a with a new

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version of the journal

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and uh i've been invited to contribute

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some of my colorado uh work that i did

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with some bigfoot cases i'm really

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looking forward to this because i i i

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really enjoyed having lyle on when we

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talked about the lizard man uh sightings

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uh in the south and

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and of course david

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is uh i think becoming more and more

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well known for his work with the black

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eyed children

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or the black eyed kids uh phenomenon and

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um i think we're gonna we're gonna

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really kick around some some cool stuff

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today we've got some good questions in

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the forum already so i'm looking forward

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to it

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this is gonna be fascinating

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re-exploring bigfoot and what's been

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in the meantime just to let listeners

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know if you want to see some of the

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early things i did

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there is a magazine that's recently been

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posted in digital forum online called

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beyond

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reality

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ever hear of it chris

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kind of family rings a bell um god

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that's that's going way back there gene

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we're we're talking

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we're talking way back we're talking 70s

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yeah and expired in about 1980. yeah and

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the magazine was edited by a former art

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director named harry beliel

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whose claim to fame before

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got into psychic magazines and ufo

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magazines he worked with a guy named joe

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wieder remember joe weeder

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he was an exercise guru who worked with

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people like arnold schwarzenegger and

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people like that

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wasn't he the one that kicked sand in

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the face of the little little guy in the

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comic books

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i don't know but he goes back a long

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long time and he had these

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magazines and you know low-end magazines

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weren't called magazines and they were

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and the scheme a publisher a small

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publisher would

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take advantage of is that

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when you had standard newsstand

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distribution these distributors are long

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gone except for maybe one or two they

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give the publisher an advance against

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you get more money like a book

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do not exceed that advance over time

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they will simply give you a lower

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advance and make their money they make

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it out whenever it happens

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they had a way to cheat you because

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in order to determine sales of a

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covers back or the full magazine

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later on you'd send an affidavit so a

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local bookstore or barnes noble or

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something would send an affidavit saying

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we sold this many copies didn't have to

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return anything we sold of the ten

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thousand you sent us we sold five

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thousand so of course they'd report

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sales of five thousand copies it was a

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great way to get ripped off anyway harry

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was really a character he put out these

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books a ufo update book i think it was

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called and

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beyond reality now for about a year

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and i didn't get much of a credit for

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this

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but these books or magazines are

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available in digital form now look for

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beyond reality

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in google or bing or whatever your

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i typeset the magazine from cover to

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did all the type setting for them

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on equipment that we had in those days

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and i edited the magazines cover to

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cover and i even wrote the editorial

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from harry because he wasn't such a good

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writer he was an art director

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but he i guess is an ego problem he

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wouldn't give me the managing editor

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position that he said i had he kept

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calling me contributing editor or

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i think there was an ego thing there but

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look for that probably from mid 75

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that's the stuff i did for them

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beyond reality

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um

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but there's nothing uh like good old uh

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research and

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re

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or familiarizing yourself with the uh

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with the history of uh these subjects uh

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there is quite a body of work out there

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for

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people who are just getting involved in

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investigating and researching uh the

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many subjects we cover cover here and i

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think it's important for people to be up

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to speed

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and there are uh quite a number of these

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publications that uh isaac coy is uh

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digitizing and putting online

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uh of course he's a a poster here at the

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paracast and uh every time he

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he announces a new

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you know slew of

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issues of particular publications that

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are now being digitized and made

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i think it opens up the possibilities

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for people to get themselves up to speed

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you know take advantage of it before it

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gets a price tag we've got david

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weatherly lyle blackburn coming up next

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now we're having lots and lots of

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we put poor lyle blackburn through all

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sorts of horrible abuse

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to get rid of background noise

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on his advanced recording system there

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we're having lots and lots of fun with

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this but we think it's going to make it

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it's good to have david and lyle back on

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the show gentlemen welcome i have a copy

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of the first uh journal of susquatch

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research wood knox volume one in my hand

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and boy i'll tell you this is quite a uh

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quite a collection of notable you know

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thinkers and experts in the field uh

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along with lyle and david's pieces ken

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gerhart linda godfrey richard freeman

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nick redford micah hanks

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uh richard meerhead

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this is quite a

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quite a an undertaking

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why don't you first give us a little

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background david on on the idea

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and um

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kind of give us a sense of where you're

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going to be going with this and give us

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a little bit of background on how this

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whole idea came to fruition well sure

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first of all chris gene thanks for

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having me on again it's always a

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pleasure to be on the paracast

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you know this idea actually is one that

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i had a few years ago a lot of it kind

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of

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came up in discussion with lyle who's

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also on the show with us today i had had

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this concept of sort of an upper end

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journal

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was in paperback format obviously and uh

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would go beyond just a simple magazine

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article and allow

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researchers especially people who spent

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a lot of time out in the field to talk

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about things

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that

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maybe wouldn't be enough to fill a whole

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book but yet was still important

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information i think to get out there my

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idea was simply to have you know people

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from the cryptozoology community come in

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and contribute

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whether it be a regional piece or

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something about

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uh their perspective on a unique aspect

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of this this creature that everybody's

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so fascinated by

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and you know the first volume i i was so

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i was so happy with the response because

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you know i sort of put the call out i'm

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blessed to know a lot of people in this

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field a lot of great minds and um

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the first several people i reached out

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to

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you know said yes right away and they

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all had ideas for something they could

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contribute i i think it's a real a team

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lineup that came in on this first volume

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the concept is that this will be an

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annual release that's set to come out

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each spring so i've already had a lot of

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people ask about volume two it'll be

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coming out in the spring next year and

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it'll be

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released every year around that time

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with a rotating cast somewhat i'll have

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some people that obviously will return

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because they have different ideas and so

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forth but i'll have some different

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people contributing to as the series

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unfolds and the whole thing is capped

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off by the stunning cover by artist sam

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sharon mr sam has he's known and this

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guy i i always say he gets better every

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time he does something you know i just

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threw a concept at him and he came up

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with this amazing painting of a

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sasquatch

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even if you're not interested to look at

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the cover because it's pretty it's

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pretty cool well he's done a number of

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covers for your authors including

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covers for you

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very very striking i think uh lyle did

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he did your lizardman cover too i think

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didn't he no that was another guy but

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there's another guy well the you guys

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covers are really kind of ratcheting up

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the um the art

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aspect

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quite a bit

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these covers take a while to uh to

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produce and

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there's quite a bit of quality there you

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don't normally associate a journal

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with the kind of publishing savvy and

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quality that we have here with this

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particular first volume wood knocks you

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know much success on the the project

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i've of course volunteered immediately

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to help out with volume two i'm going to

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be contributing a piece on colorado

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bigfoot reports including a flurry of

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cases just out of the blue that i kind

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of found myself investigating um seven

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cases i think in eight days

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um of what appear to be the same two

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bigfoot uh

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male and female

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but um

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i tell you you guys uh really cover the

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gamut in this book uh there's quite a

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bit of interesting takes on the uh

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subject i'll just kind of go through

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some of this so lyle did uh a piece on

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the giants of piney woods

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linda did kettles cows and sasquatch

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bigfoot in southern wisconsin

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david did big man on the reservation

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which uh covers reports on native

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american uh reports if i'm not mistaken

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correct me if i'm wrong

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the one that i haven't gotten into yet

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but i want to uh because i'm going to uh

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southeast asia here this this uh fall

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hong kong is a focal point for bigfoot

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that's an area of the world that we

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don't hear much about when it comes to

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hairy hominids ken gearhart kind of goes

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back to the drawing board and asked the

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rhetorical question is bigfoot a giant

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form of homo erectus richard freeman

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does uh a piece on the arm the orang

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pendak

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if i had to guess which would be the

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first one that we could actually really

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establish as a true undiscovered harmony

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the orange pendant would get my vote

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micah does a very interesting piece on

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susquash kidnappings in north american

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folklore of course

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i'm sure the the osman case many people

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in our listening audience are familiar

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with nick redfern does the sound of

561
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sasquatch which is a kind of an

562
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,600
interesting piece from him of course

563
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,159
nick is more of a fortian when it comes

564
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to uh kind of the theories of what we're

565
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going to be talking about today let's

566
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kind of start at the beginning here do

567
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you think we're dealing with something

568
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that is an actual physical creature with

569
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a breeding population

570
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it needs uh x amount of territory for

571
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,880
food or do you think we're dealing with

572
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,480
something that's more supernatural

573
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,960
paranormal that has some sort of

574
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,360
possible dimensional capabilities where

575
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,520
do you guys come down on this wow you

576
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:51,679
can run with that one first okay

577
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,799
i kind of stick with the biological

578
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,520
aspect of it that it is some sort of

579
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,080
undiscovered primate i just kind of

580
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:01,919
start at the ground floor with that i

581
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:04,960
mean obviously it's open to a vast

582
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,760
amount of theories i mean really without

583
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a body in front of us or

584
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,039
some other

585
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,600
better clue as to what it truly is

586
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,080
then it is all conjecture at this point

587
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,240
but uh for me you know i kind of

588
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,400
stick with my original view that uh

589
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:22,400
we're looking for some sort of a

590
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,000
anomalous ape-like creature that albeit

591
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:28,960
seems implausible but not impossible and

592
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,400
it has obviously a very small population

593
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:34,000
and is

594
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,679
an expert at evading discovery thus far

595
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yeah the winner of the world finest

596
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hide-and-seek player i think hands down

597
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would uh would be uh bigfoot

598
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let's break here guys and then we'll get

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the power cast chris you had a question

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of one of our guests

710
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well i was just going to throw the ball

711
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to david in and ask are you dealing with

712
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,600
a flesh and blood creature with a

713
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breeding population that has um

714
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nutritional needs for a big hairy

715
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,120
hominid and and uh stakes out territory

716
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,320
that sort of thing or do you think we're

717
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,159
dealing with something that's uh high or

718
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strange

719
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,880
you know chris

720
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,640
i'm a little bit more middle of the road

721
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,640
with this and what i mean by that is

722
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,360
that i do think we're dealing with a a

723
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,080
tangible physical creature

724
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,480
but i think it has some

725
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,880
paranormal aspects to it and you know

726
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,960
before people get all excited about that

727
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,120
word being thrown around i'd like to say

728
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,640
that you know the word paranormal means

729
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,640
something beyond the normal there may be

730
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,960
qualities to this creature that we just

731
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,000
simply

732
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,320
don't understand at this point an

733
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,679
example is

734
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,679
there are so many cases where people

735
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,600
observe one of these creatures and it's

736
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,200
suddenly just gone

737
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,440
and you know we have a lot of theories

738
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,640
particularly in the last couple of years

739
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,320
have been thrown around about portals

740
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,240
and all these different things but you

741
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:39,840
know there's another perspective we may

742
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,360
be looking at some type of sophisticated

743
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,080
camouflaging reaction that

744
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,520
we're just not familiar with at this

745
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,200
point i mean imagine the first person

746
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,279
that ever saw chameleon and how they

747
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,279
must have felt when they realized here's

748
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,960
this little creature that is

749
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,799
you know suddenly faded into the bark of

750
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,799
a tree or something but yet it's still

751
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,000
there so

752
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,919
i'm open to a lot of

753
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,840
more supernatural

754
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,320
qualities to this thing

755
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,960
and you know i can't deny

756
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,640
coming from a background having studied

757
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,720
a lot of shamanic traditions i can't

758
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,399
deny that native americans all over the

759
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,360
country talk about you know more unusual

760
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,919
qualities to these creatures and the

761
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,080
idea that they've always been here

762
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:24,720
uh amongst us but you know they sort of

763
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,240
live in their own world in some way so

764
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,000
the jury's still out gonna have a body

765
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,720
like lyle said um but there are just so

766
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,679
many curious things about the encounters

767
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,320
with this with this thing that uh i

768
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,360
think there are definitely some

769
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,840
unexplained qualities there

770
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,320
i would have to um i would have to agree

771
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,080
with both of you that we are dealing

772
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,320
with a flesh and blood creature

773
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
but

774
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,200
just to give you an example of a case

775
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,760
that i my brother actually was involved

776
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,559
with

777
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,880
they were riding a horse back on a

778
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,480
logging road

779
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,559
just below stevens pass in washington

780
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,520
state

781
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,840
outside of the town of startup you know

782
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,960
the typical first reaction horses start

783
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,880
freaking out they smell this horrible

784
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,080
smell

785
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,080
uh they get off the horses they they

786
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:14,159
lead them along the road around

787
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,159
a bend and they find five footprints

788
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,720
one on the the creature across the road

789
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
in front of them just seconds before

790
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,120
going from right to left they found a

791
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,360
footprint on the shoulder of the logging

792
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,480
road

793
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,600
i think

794
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,679
two prints if i if i remember correctly

795
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,559
in the road a print on the

796
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,640
left side of the road and then a kind of

797
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,120
a scooped print going up a a

798
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,480
an embankment a cracked branch and

799
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,720
the print on the left side of the road

800
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,279
still had the grass coming up uh was

801
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,120
still springing up from the weight of

802
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,960
the creature pressing the grass down the

803
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,080
grass and was still spring was still

804
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,919
rising up in the print

805
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,000
as they um as they

806
00:31:02,950 --> 00:30:59,919
investigated the site

807
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,960
no tracks coming to the road and at the

808
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,880
top of the uh the cut

809
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,039
uh where the creature's foot swooped in

810
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,799
the in the clay

811
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,799
broke a pine branch lifting itself up to

812
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:13,279
the top of the the cut uh there are no

813
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,520
tracks leading away

814
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,760
now that to me is indication that we

815
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,600
have a creature that decided just to

816
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,120
make an appearance

817
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,480
they really

818
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:23,360
in

819
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,080
that had some some outdoor uh skills

820
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,840
tracking experience that sort of thing

821
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,000
and they were unable to find any

822
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:33,760
evidence of the creature approaching or

823
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,039
leaving uh the logging road cut and uh

824
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,679
how how can we explain that

825
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,320
yeah i mean that's that's obviously uh a

826
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,320
stumbling point in trying to explain

827
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,240
this and obviously one reason there's so

828
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,240
many theories to it because

829
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,080
on one account you have somebody who

830
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,519
sees something that's seemingly physical

831
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,799
and then

832
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,200
in trying to follow up and look for

833
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,840
tracks or other evidence you simply come

834
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:02,000
up short and

835
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:03,039
that's

836
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,399
you know there's a lot of ways to

837
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,600
explain that

838
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,360
perhaps the creature is actually

839
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,320
actively trying to

840
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,640
you know not leave behind

841
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,200
enough evidence to prove itself i

842
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,600
i you know it would conceivably have to

843
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,760
have some sort of level of intelligence

844
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,919
above your average animal too oh yeah

845
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,880
you know have an agenda like that but uh

846
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,559
you know i mean

847
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,960
in the woods there's

848
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,200
you know i've seen

849
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,840
you know animals moving and you know you

850
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,760
go to where that happened and there's

851
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,519
not always footprints there's leaf

852
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,399
litter there's uh the particular places

853
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,480
where they could have stepped it's it's

854
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,360
not it's these locks and and

855
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,600
pieces of fallen wood that sort of thing

856
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,000
sure i mean it's it's not as easy as

857
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,840
people think i mean some you know i see

858
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,919
a lot of hog tracks but you're talking

859
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,480
about you know dozens of hogs together

860
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,880
with four legs tromping around digging

861
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,720
things that's what they do you see a lot

862
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,399
of tracks but if i

863
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,919
go into an area

864
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,880
um

865
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,480
i've i've been in

866
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:08,799
many areas where i know for a fact

867
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,320
there's bears i've actually visibly seen

868
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,440
uh bears and

869
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,919
i've you know i hadn't i didn't come up

870
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:20,480
on footprints of those bears um very

871
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,399
rarely that's ever happened so um you

872
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,039
if you get an animal who's

873
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,399
agile and moves the right ways then it's

874
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:32,559
very

875
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,240
difficult to find evidence thereofs and

876
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,159
you know of course some of these get to

877
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,320
be an exceptional case where you see it

878
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,440
it walked

879
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,440
you know possibly on a dirt road or in

880
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279
mud and then there's no tracks those are

881
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,600
the hardest things to explain but

882
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,080
on the average i think that

883
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,559
you know people uh underestimate how

884
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,679
hard it is to find evidence of of tracks

885
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,600
and things of a solitary creature you

886
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,679
know in the woods i've got a great

887
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,679
example of one of those unusual cases

888
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,039
though and i i don't know if i've told

889
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,440
lyle about this one or not but uh

890
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,880
chris you're familiar with the navajo

891
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,440
rangers john dover and stanley milford

892
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,599
and um yeah you know they do extensive

893
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,280
amount of work on on the navajo

894
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,599
reservation to all kinds of weird cases

895
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,200
but they were telling me and actually

896
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,320
showed me photographs of a case they had

897
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,240
where they followed a trackway now this

898
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,359
was on a ridge in the snow and

899
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,119
these tracks just

900
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,560
stopped

901
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,320
there was nothing there there were no

902
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,320
rocks for this creature to have jumped

903
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,560
on no trees for it to climb into

904
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,839
and you know these are the kind of

905
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,520
things you've got

906
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,679
people who are trained with

907
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,760
observing these kind of things with

908
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,520
tracking and with all these various

909
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,000
skills and you know they've followed

910
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,520
this track way and they have no

911
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,839
explanation at all as to how

912
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,359
this creature could have you know

913
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,879
departed from that area and obviously

914
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,480
they did a you know search and

915
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,159
surrounding area to see the creature had

916
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,839
you know left off of this trackway

917
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,280
somehow or something and there was just

918
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,520
nothing there and you know these are the

919
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,200
kind of cases that

920
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,440
are really confounding i think for a lot

921
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,839
of people who want to take this

922
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,160
extremely rigid traditional view that

923
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:11,359
this is

924
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,400
simply

925
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,400
an under creature

926
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,480
i think that in this field you know we

927
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,839
are dealing with something unknown you

928
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,880
know the fact is this thing has evaded

929
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,440
capture and solid evidence for many many

930
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,920
years at this point and i think we have

931
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,680
to be somewhat open-minded to there

932
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,720
being

933
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,720
stranger aspects to whatever this thing

934
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,920
is

935
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,000
let me throw out a question here kind of

936
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,000
a general question

937
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,599
that people always

938
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,079
are going to ask about bigfoot

939
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,079
and that is

940
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,520
i mean we've heard stories well they've

941
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,760
got some dna and that didn't seem to

942
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,160
turn out to be much of anything

943
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,359
and there's something we'll carry

944
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,680
through to the next segment

945
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,800
but

946
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,200
the biggest complaint about bigfoot is

947
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,359
if we've got these creatures

948
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,280
strange creatures in various parts of

949
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,880
the world

950
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,760
why

951
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,760
is there such a lack of physical

952
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,839
evidence to prove something strange is

953
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,680
going on because that gives

954
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,520
certainly ammunition to the skeptics to

955
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,119
say hey

956
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
what's going on here

957
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,240
if something's going on

958
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:16,320
show us

959
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,359
a bigfoot live dead

960
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,839
remnants whatever

961
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,040
bodily

962
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,040
excretions things like that why are we

963
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,640
not seeing it

964
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,440
maybe they're using waste bags like

965
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,240
dogs you get for a dog you don't want to

966
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mess up your

967
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lawns so you get these waste bags

968
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,200
scented like we have for teddy bear

969
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,440
wild blackburn

970
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david weatherly chris o'brien gene

971
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steinberg you're in the very cast

972
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[Music]

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listening to the paracast the gold

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radio you see when you see

1076
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bigfoot he'll talk just like that the

1077
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,960
previous segment

1078
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,359
that's it so guys whoever wants to take

1079
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,839
it let's start with you lyle

1080
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,000
show me the evidence

1081
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,880
show me the money well yeah that that is

1082
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,200
always the golden question obviously and

1083
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,880
i i think it's

1084
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,920
because of several things number one

1085
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,240
there is such a low population of these

1086
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,400
i think there is there is obviously a

1087
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,079
lot of sightings and it just seems to be

1088
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,240
more and more sightings but honestly in

1089
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,440
my investigations i find that there are

1090
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,880
a small percentage of sightings that i

1091
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,480
believe are

1092
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,680
definitely positively this person

1093
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,720
saw

1094
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,720
some unknown creature and then you have

1095
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,880
a lot of just the outlying sightings

1096
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,440
which are very shadowy and i think

1097
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,440
in some cases a lot of assumptions that

1098
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,760
oh i saw a bigfoot

1099
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,160
so in truth i think the sightings

1100
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,839
there's not these these things are just

1101
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,920
running a muck out there there's they're

1102
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,680
just not many of them

1103
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,160
um second on that is

1104
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,640
the fact that the no presence of a body

1105
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,119
the places where they're reported are in

1106
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:44,960
places that do not

1107
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,079
are not conducive to upholding uh the

1108
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,000
remains very long in forests and swamps

1109
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,800
and mountainous areas these places

1110
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,160
are

1111
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,040
you know the places where decomposing

1112
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,680
remains go pretty quickly so you would

1113
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,760
have to come up on this thing

1114
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,280
you would have to be lucky and find it

1115
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,440
just then i mean you know it's kind of i

1116
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,880
mean it's

1117
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,000
one of these things where you always

1118
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,839
throw out the example how often have you

1119
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,000
come across a dead bear and i i

1120
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,920
certainly haven't and i've been

1121
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,160
i started hunting with my with my dad

1122
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,720
when i started walking and so

1123
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,480
we've been in places for example in east

1124
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,560
texas there are some bears out there

1125
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,400
they're very very few

1126
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
but they are known to live there

1127
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,720
you know we've i've walked those woods

1128
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,480
for years and years i've never come

1129
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,599
across a dead bear or even a part of

1130
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,359
some animal that i thought was a bear

1131
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,800
you know i've come up on some deer and

1132
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,119
things like that and cows plenty of cows

1133
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,119
but there's much more of those creatures

1134
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,280
and they live much closer to

1135
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,000
you know civilization and places where

1136
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,680
if they die they're going to be found

1137
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,599
more easily so i think

1138
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,520
again you just have to find ways to

1139
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,040
explain it but it's not totally

1140
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,440
impossible that the creatures

1141
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,839
you know bury their dead or protect them

1142
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,160
in some way so it just becomes the

1143
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,280
proverbial needle in the haystack to the

1144
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,839
nth degree to come across a body and

1145
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,400
it's not to say that somebody has it you

1146
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,680
know they might have thought it was a

1147
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,760
bear some old timer you know saw it what

1148
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,200
is he gonna do he didn't run to the

1149
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,520
newspaper so it's it's not out of the

1150
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,920
question that somebody has and of course

1151
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,240
with the dna problem is we don't really

1152
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,119
have a specimen of comparison to compare

1153
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,079
it to so you know and often most times

1154
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,640
this undertaking to prove bigfoot has

1155
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,720
been taken by amateur

1156
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,200
uh sleuths out in the woods and most of

1157
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,880
the time they

1158
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,640
handle the evidence you get

1159
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,359
contamination human comes back as human

1160
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,440
dna or something you know i've had

1161
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,119
numerous times for people oh yeah my

1162
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,800
brother has some hair he has this you

1163
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,119
know it's old and you know they touched

1164
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,079
it it's just not good

1165
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,960
uh material in which to scientifically

1166
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,200
evaluate so i don't know you put all

1167
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,839
those things together and it just seems

1168
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,839
like the probabilities are kind of

1169
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,079
against us at this point to prove it i

1170
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,560
would also add that it's pretty rare to

1171
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,440
find

1172
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,000
any sort of predators remains whether

1173
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,319
it's a mountain lion a fox

1174
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,520
badgers uh animals that actually are

1175
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,599
predators it's it's very

1176
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,920
rare i've i've never in all the years

1177
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:21,280
that i've spent tramping around in the

1178
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,400
woods and

1179
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,720
and doing you know 100 mile hikes

1180
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:26,319
through the cascades and that sort of

1181
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,200
thing

1182
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,040
as you mentioned i found uh deer

1183
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,200
carcasses i found

1184
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,920
more than i care to remember uh uh

1185
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,920
cattle carcasses

1186
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,040
but uh

1187
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,599
it's it's very rare to find uh the

1188
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,520
remains of a predator

1189
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,079
one story that really intrigued me that

1190
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,400
came out in the early 80s

1191
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,920
initially

1192
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,400
involved claims by some locals around

1193
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,200
mount saint helens after the uh

1194
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,760
the may 1980 eruption

1195
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:57,440
that government

1196
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,400
type

1197
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,160
personnel we're seeing

1198
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,720
essentially gathering uh possible

1199
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,440
bigfoot remains from the eruption

1200
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,680
and uh even one story that even had a

1201
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,280
bigfoot helping

1202
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,839
uh identify where the remains were and

1203
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,880
i'd

1204
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,560
obviously these stories are apocryphal

1205
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,599
and and

1206
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,839
i've never really seen any

1207
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,480
real hard evidence to back these up but

1208
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,040
to have either of you look uh by locals

1209
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,200
around the area where the eruption

1210
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,680
occurred of course mount st helens is

1211
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,520
very well known for

1212
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,000
ape canyon and the um

1213
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,319
the supposed uh encounter that miners

1214
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,800
had with uh bigfoot that um one of the

1215
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,400
miners had shot the bigfoot attacked

1216
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,640
their cabin it's one of the more famous

1217
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,560
stories in the annals of of bigfoot

1218
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,160
research i think this happened back in

1219
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,960
the 20s but eight canyon was completely

1220
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,920
covered by fallen timber and was was

1221
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,200
swept by

1222
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,960
the pyroclastic cloud that went through

1223
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,280
there and having grown up in washington

1224
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,599
state i know that that that was a

1225
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,960
supposed hotbed of bigfoot activity and

1226
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,839
there was possibly a population there

1227
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,160
have either of you done any digging into

1228
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,319
the claims that have surfaced from time

1229
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:11,119
to time about recovering bigfoot bodies

1230
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,920
uh

1231
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,920
the government recovering bodies there

1232
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,880
in that area uh well i mean obviously

1233
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,880
yeah i've heard those stories and uh

1234
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,400
kind of makes sense if there's an

1235
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,640
eruption like that that all wildlife

1236
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,240
would suffer and that would be a prime

1237
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
time to find something

1238
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,920
and uh

1239
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,359
you know not out of the question that

1240
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,800
the government may have come across

1241
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,720
something and it seems like any time we

1242
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,079
have one of these

1243
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,119
bigfoot body stories it's it's often

1244
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:39,440
tied to some mysterious disappearance

1245
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,560
thereof

1246
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,119
uh government-like people often even men

1247
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:46,400
in black show up and it disappears um i

1248
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,599
had a case

1249
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,240
where i was called by a gentleman

1250
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,520
who

1251
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,720
back in the 1970s his dogs had drug up

1252
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,319
this huge

1253
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,040
uh part of a leg out of the trinity

1254
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,839
river bottoms here in texas and this was

1255
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,400
an old horse rancher and

1256
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,640
the reason he had tried to contact

1257
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,480
someone is because he saw finding

1258
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,560
bigfoot on animal planet

1259
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,040
and uh it got him to thinking but

1260
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,720
basically what happened was back in the

1261
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,520
1970s his dog had drug up this

1262
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,520
leg severed from the knee down it had

1263
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,440
the foot it had the shin bone and

1264
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,280
everything it was somewhat hairy and it

1265
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,559
had a man-like foot it was a huge leg

1266
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,760
and the guy

1267
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,760
you know back then just not really even

1268
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,359
thinking bigfoot or anything he just

1269
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,680
thought it was some weird bizarre

1270
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,960
occurrence and called the police and the

1271
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,359
police responded looked at it obviously

1272
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,119
couldn't make anything out of it took it

1273
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,440
away and said they would call him with

1274
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,359
you know the results and

1275
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,760
he never heard anything back it just

1276
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,119
disappeared

1277
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,280
now there again it just disappears we

1278
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,520
have no proof of it but i'm telling you

1279
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,800
this guy

1280
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,640
i mean i just don't see any reason he

1281
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,319
would make this story up and he could

1282
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,160
describe the leg accurately he said it

1283
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,640
wasn't a bear he said it was human-like

1284
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,880
but hairy and much too big

1285
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,520
to be a normal human and i mean it's a

1286
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,319
leg coming out of river bottom you know

1287
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,480
i actually tried to find the records of

1288
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:14,000
that and wrote the

1289
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,359
police department and everything and

1290
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:17,760
they sent letters back and you know they

1291
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,240
just said we have nothing on that and

1292
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,640
there again a mystery disappearance

1293
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,920
where the

1294
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,440
where officials were involved it

1295
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,160
disappeared but i i 100 believe this

1296
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,440
this old timer he just was very credible

1297
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,880
very well spoken and i always just

1298
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:36,880
thought that you know i might have some

1299
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,440
insight into it but uh

1300
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:42,319
it's just a mystery you mentioned men in

1301
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,200
black

1302
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,000
reports that seem to be associated with

1303
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,839
with bigfoot sightings i i had never

1304
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,960
heard that

1305
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:51,119
uh that's an interesting comment

1306
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,319
so we have

1307
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,640
cases where people have been witnesses

1308
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,359
of harry hominid and then they're later

1309
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,280
told not to talk about it

1310
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,359
yeah let's see off top of my head i can

1311
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,520
think and i mean i'm not

1312
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,280
vouching for the credibility of any of

1313
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,599
this but uh a

1314
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,200
skunk ape

1315
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,559
researcher in florida a prominent

1316
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,400
researcher there

1317
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,559
had come across

1318
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,680
some footprints and hair and and some

1319
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,160
you know some remnants of a bigfoot

1320
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,079
right around the time there was a rash

1321
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,640
of bigfoot sightings near the everglades

1322
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,359
and according to him

1323
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,040
shortly thereafter

1324
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,440
gentleman you know dressed in black

1325
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,119
suits showed up

1326
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,920
and confiscated the hair and

1327
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,240
it was never seen again so not that

1328
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,400
there's any more proof to that but

1329
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:44,559
there is definitely a case and i've

1330
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,440
heard it

1331
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,960
you know i think i've read a couple more

1332
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,240
stories where

1333
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,720
uh same type of thing where it seemed to

1334
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,440
me like the standard men in black

1335
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,440
profile had showed up and and

1336
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,839
confiscated the remains there there are

1337
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,160
actually quite a few of those cases it's

1338
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,000
it's very curious there was another one

1339
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,440
a couple years ago in arkansas that was

1340
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,480
a situation where a guy claimed to have

1341
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,839
you know shot

1342
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:12,000
a sasquatch and

1343
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,079
later on you know uh these guys in

1344
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,559
black vehicles showed up and

1345
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,640
confiscated the body and like lyle said

1346
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,720
i mean i can't attest to the veracity of

1347
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,200
that and interview the guy or anything

1348
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,480
uh but

1349
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,960
you see these things crop up on a fairly

1350
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,319
regular basis

1351
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,839
we've got so much more to come with

1352
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,880
david

1353
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:33,920
and

1354
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:39,110
you're in the paracast

1355
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,309
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1356
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:53,760
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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a touch of class

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i interrupted an answer

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on the previous segment of the power

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cast

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can we continue that absolutely so a few

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years ago

1425
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,599
i had a case in north carolina and uh

1426
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,599
similar to what lyle is talking about

1427
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,160
this woman had absolutely no

1428
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,640
reason to be lying about this she

1429
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,880
actually had a lot to lose i think she

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00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,920
was

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00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,640
a former employee for a police

1432
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,359
department was a dispatcher she had this

1433
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:53,119
pretty amazing story that she and her

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00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,160
husband

1435
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,760
had discovered

1436
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,119
what appeared to be the body of a

1437
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:00,319
sasquatch this was up near uh close to

1438
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,800
brown mountain in north carolina and

1439
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,839
anybody

1440
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,760
familiar with that area is famous for

1441
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,119
the brown mountain lights and a lot of

1442
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,440
other spooky things they discovered this

1443
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:12,160
body uh called i'd have to go back and

1444
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,359
look at my records but i believe they

1445
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,599
call the game board didn't know exactly

1446
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,760
what it was but they you know got out of

1447
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,280
the vehicle got a very close look at

1448
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,880
this thing

1449
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:22,960
in very short order

1450
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,319
they said that these two black vehicles

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00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:27,680
showed up

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00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,800
along with a third vehicle that was a

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00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,040
van with military personnel in it who

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00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,680
got out loaded this carcass in

1455
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,720
and left

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00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,559
and they were basically told don't worry

1457
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,079
about what you saw here is being taken

1458
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,359
care of

1459
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,119
these are not people who wanted any

1460
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,359
publicity they didn't want a story out

1461
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,359
really they just wanted some

1462
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,160
answers as to what exactly had happened

1463
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,760
and why the government would be

1464
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,920
interested in hauling away you know some

1465
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,160
kind of strange animal carcass

1466
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,640
but again you know we just we have this

1467
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,520
curious case with no explanation and we

1468
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:04,079
have to wonder exactly what some faction

1469
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,440
of the government knows or why they're

1470
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,599
interested

1471
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,799
that was a show stopper

1472
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,040
well you know again this uh this kind of

1473
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,839
apocryphal uh tale i mean you can it

1474
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,599
doesn't matter what mysterious

1475
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,839
phenomenon you want to discuss uh these

1476
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,839
types of uh reports

1477
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,160
i guess invariably rear their heads uh

1478
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,119
of course uh men in black lord goes

1479
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,079
back 70 plus years in

1480
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,480
ufology so do you think you guys think

1481
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,640
that there's some sort of government

1482
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,960
group that's interested in these uh

1483
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,359
creatures and has an active

1484
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,240
role in is participating in keeping them

1485
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,240
secret or maybe gathering evidence or

1486
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,640
studying them or what do you guys think

1487
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,240
you know i wouldn't be surprised if the

1488
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,119
government you know hadn't evaluated

1489
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,040
what exists for evidence and haven't

1490
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,200
looked into it at some point

1491
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,880
but unfortunately i find it hard to

1492
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,240
believe that

1493
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,280
they can put much effort into

1494
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,760
trying to chase down all the bodies and

1495
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,839
really why they would want to do it i

1496
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,319
mean it obviously it would be somewhat

1497
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,319
ground shaking if we discovered

1498
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,559
something like this and obviously there

1499
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,720
would be some economics involved because

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00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,319
you know if it was found in an area

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00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,200
where

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00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,200
timber companies were

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00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,559
present you know they wouldn't want

1504
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,839
something like that but the government

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00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,720
itself i mean it seems more relegated to

1506
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,200
science i just don't know why they would

1507
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,839
need to cover this up you know ufos i

1508
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,079
can you know i could see more of a

1509
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,640
interest in that that's more of like

1510
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,040
homeland security to the max i mean if

1511
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,000
we've got invading extraterrestrials but

1512
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,079
bigfoots you know they live in the woods

1513
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,160
they're hard to find what what does it

1514
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,520
matter so i

1515
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,040
you know i don't want to discount what

1516
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,880
people have said but i find it hard to

1517
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,559
believe the government had to have a

1518
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,720
concerted effort to cover it up i just

1519
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,319
don't see the reason yeah i kind of

1520
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,920
agree with lyle first of all obviously

1521
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,839
we don't have enough evidence either way

1522
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,839
to you know determine if the government

1523
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,240
is involved somehow but you can't i

1524
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,160
can't deny the number of cases that crop

1525
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:07,839
up and how curious it is that these

1526
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,640
things do turn up of course we also have

1527
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,040
to consider there's no defined evidence

1528
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,640
that this is actually the government i

1529
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,000
mean this could be somebody from the

1530
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,160
private sector who's merely interested

1531
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,240
in chris you and i are well aware that

1532
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,440
uh

1533
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,040
millionaires often have an interest in

1534
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,040
strange phenomena and we'll throw a lot

1535
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,760
of time and and resources into it i i

1536
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,520
don't know they're very curious cases

1537
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,319
and

1538
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:31,839
these are the kind of things that a lot

1539
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,720
of researchers just discard i think and

1540
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,880
you know throw it to the wayside but i

1541
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,160
think we have to look at all of this

1542
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,000
holistically we just don't have any

1543
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,680
answers on this creature yet so we need

1544
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,240
to be open to various ideas we can't

1545
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,400
throw any potential evidence out i think

1546
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,920
with the bathwater

1547
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,559
no question kind of reminds me of one of

1548
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,119
the cattle mutilation cases that

1549
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,760
is in stocking the herd a case was found

1550
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
on on one of the walton families ranches

1551
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,400
in arkansas of course the waltons are

1552
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,599
famous for

1553
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,280
being the multi-billionaires that own

1554
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,160
walmart and this was back in the 70s and

1555
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,720
it's one of the few cases that i'm aware

1556
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,760
of where

1557
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,720
real

1558
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,920
obvious

1559
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,960
ritual occult sign like an altar was

1560
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,960
left behind one of these mutilated

1561
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,960
animals that was found on their ranch

1562
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:19,920
and and

1563
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,960
again there was a tendon ritual sign

1564
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:24,799
uh with the case and and the case was

1565
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:27,040
covered up it didn't really make the

1566
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,079
news

1567
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,000
it did come out and researchers did find

1568
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,920
out about it and it was a real case in a

1569
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,359
real report that that much was

1570
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,599
determined but a concerted effort seemed

1571
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,079
to have been made to keep it as quiet as

1572
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,079
possible david you're up there in utah

1573
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,760
right now the uh you know the sherman

1574
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,640
ranch case uh the the nids uh fort du

1575
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,720
chain ranch there on the on the you

1576
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,799
indian reservation is a classic example

1577
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:51,040
of someone with a lot of money that uh

1578
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,440
is able to keep a lid on publicity to a

1579
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,160
you know greater degree than not

1580
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,880
about activity that goes on there so

1581
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,599
you know with budgets come uh abilities

1582
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,000
and and uh and you're able to hire

1583
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,000
people that uh you can trust to keep

1584
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,799
these things uh covered up and quiet so

1585
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,640
it wouldn't surprise me in the least

1586
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,079
either that

1587
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,319
some sort of group whether private or or

1588
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,319
otherwise would be interested in

1589
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,240
obtaining evidence

1590
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,400
monitoring some sort of monitoring

1591
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,240
program to find out as quickly as

1592
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,920
possible when cases are occurring and

1593
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,839
when claims are being made especially of

1594
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,760
physical evidence kind of moving along

1595
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,119
here a little bit we've got a lot of

1596
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,119
ground to cover i've i'm really getting

1597
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,400
uh annoyed at all these pictures that

1598
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:38,480
seem to be appearing now

1599
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,160
on the internet of simple shadows that

1600
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,720
people going into a place of paradilia

1601
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,200
and seeing all sorts of bigfoot faces

1602
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,160
and uh outlines of bodies and

1603
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:51,920
when at least in my estimation it's

1604
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,799
clearly a case of just reading wishful

1605
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,640
thinking into the play of light and

1606
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,880
shadow uh have you guys have any

1607
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,520
comments on on the quality of our blob

1608
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,440
squatch i think as as people are

1609
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:04,880
starting to call these photographs of

1610
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,079
blobsquatch uh uh cases oh those things

1611
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,000
drop me nuts

1612
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:12,160
you know i find that a lot of those come

1613
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:13,280
from

1614
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:16,720
the sort of subset of people interested

1615
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,359
in sasquatch who are convinced that they

1616
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,720
i'm trying to think of a way to put this

1617
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,000
kindly

1618
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,920
you know within the field of sasquatch

1619
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,760
you have all these little clicks anymore

1620
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,119
you know all these subdivisions and

1621
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,040
there's a whole faction of people that

1622
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,440
profess to have uh regular psychic

1623
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:34,079
communication with these guys

1624
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,440
you know they're

1625
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,480
highly advanced whatever uh creatures

1626
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,480
and they're out frolicking the fields

1627
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,040
with them and all this stuff and um

1628
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,280
a lot of those things that i see seem to

1629
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:48,160
come from that sector of the sasquatch

1630
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,520
field and

1631
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,240
it just appears to me that they are so

1632
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,440
maybe desperate to prove that yes they

1633
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,760
are in contact yes this is going on that

1634
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:59,119
they're just throwing this stuff out

1635
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,079
there

1636
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,640
you know i get asked all the time about

1637
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,240
some why there's not more you know why

1638
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:06,000
there aren't more quality photographs

1639
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,960
and

1640
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,119
one of the experiences i had just a few

1641
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,920
years ago in arizona

1642
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:14,559
was i i was driving down this back dirt

1643
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,400
road and i always keep my camera with me

1644
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,880
i come around this curve and here was

1645
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:21,760
this

1646
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,480
absolutely beautiful lynx crouched in

1647
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:27,280
the middle of the road i hit the brakes

1648
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,240
and

1649
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,799
i didn't startle him with the jeep oddly

1650
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,720
enough because he was really focused

1651
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:35,280
looking at something in the brush he was

1652
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,040
obviously after a rabbit or something

1653
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but my point is is that

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as quick as this transpired i grabbed my

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camera

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you know put it up and by the time i hit

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the shutter this thing was gone it just

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left off the road and there was no sign

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01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,480
of it i think that you know the skeptics

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01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,000
always cry well why aren't there more

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photographs and i think you have to bear

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in mind that that's a good example of

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how difficult it is to catch something

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that is elusive on film and when you're

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in a situation where you suddenly see

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something which you know a fair number

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of these sightings they're people who

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are just you know they're hiking through

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the woods or they're just doing whatever

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and all of a sudden here's this creature

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it's a psychological component because a

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lot of people are just so stunned they

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don't even think about putting their

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camera up and trying to catch a

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photograph

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so you know that's that's kind of my two

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cents on that oh yeah yeah absolutely

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just happened to all of us

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i've had a camera in my hands and i had

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a just an amazing you know like one and

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a half second ufo sighting and it was

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just so

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stunning

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and it just

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it was so surprising that i didn't even

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when we

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stopped the previous section chris you

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were about to say something relevant to

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everything we're doing here go ahead

1799
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,440
please

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01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,799
well we were talking about the

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difficulty

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of getting a one two or three second

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01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:37,279
even a five second event

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01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,799
captured on

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on camera let me just say one thing

1806
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,400
before you go on chris you reminded me

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of something

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01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,839
there's a feature added to iphones in

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the past year

1810
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,199
where you get three to five second

1811
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,159
segments it's called life picture when

1812
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,080
you take a snapshot and there are

1813
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,880
enhanced cameras and two cameras

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01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,799
in the new iphone

1815
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,480
7 plus

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01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,159
believe it or not

1817
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,600
can you believe that no

1818
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,839
i think the technology as it becomes

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01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:07,839
more and more sophisticated and

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01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,799
affordable i think we're our chances are

1821
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,719
i think are increasing uh finally

1822
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,679
getting

1823
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,279
some good bigfoot photographs some good

1824
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,239
ufo photographs uh possibly some footage

1825
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,440
of a shadow person or a ghost uh stuff

1826
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,799
that that would stand up to analysis and

1827
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:26,480
i think

1828
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:30,560
happen of course i've been saying that

1829
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:33,359
for 25 years

1830
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,640
but

1831
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:36,480
i think we will get to a point where you

1832
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know

1833
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,440
of glasses on that's always filming and

1834
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all you have to do is decide what

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section you want to save before it you

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know

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the the file

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with the amount of storage capability

1839
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that we have now technologically i think

1840
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,520
uh i think there will be

1841
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a time when investigators will be

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filming at all times and i'd look

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01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:03,679
forward to that day and

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and the uh

1845
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you know the the wonderful quantum

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computers that are supposedly just down

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the pipeline that would have the uh

1848
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storage space to store all this uh

1849
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visual information but it's gonna happen

1850
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and we still have this psychological

1851
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component that i i mentioned that you

1852
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know when you're suddenly confronted

1853
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with one of these experiences uh you

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know the average person is not thinking

1855
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,920
about getting their phone up and getting

1856
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:28,000
a picture of it and uh but if you had a

1857
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pair of glasses that had a camera that

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was functioning at all times absolutely

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then

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all you'd have to do is just turn and

1861
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face whatever it is and you'd be you'd

1862
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,400
be catching it i think we are

1863
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,760
approaching

1864
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,640
we will have that capability and um you

1865
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,320
know the san luis valley camera project

1866
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,560
is going to be an example of of

1867
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,679
affordable technology that will be 24 7

1868
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,480
you know 365 days a year and if

1869
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,080
something flies by

1870
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,520
uh there's a real good chance that we're

1871
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,280
going to be able to document that not

1872
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,280
only optically but with magnetometers

1873
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,719
and gravitometers and the other gear

1874
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:05,120
that we're planning on on uh utilizing

1875
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:05,840
so

1876
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,440
technology will help us overwhelm the

1877
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,000
mystery but in the meantime we're having

1878
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,159
to wade through all these blob squatch

1879
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:16,480
pictures uh deal with uh

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01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,320
with uh you know pig guts and uh

1881
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:22,880
an ice cooler and uh

1882
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,400
the dwyer pt barnum sideshow of

1883
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,400
you know the uh supposed bigfoot body

1884
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,760
and and

1885
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,080
these kinds of

1886
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,600
sensationalizers and attention uh

1887
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:35,840
seekers where do you guys come down on

1888
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:38,080
on some of these hoaxes

1889
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,280
in essence

1890
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,600
where do you guys come down on on these

1891
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,640
hoaxed

1892
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,120
uh events that generate a lot of

1893
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attention and in some cases uh some

1894
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money

1895
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,600
yeah i mean that's a huge problem and i

1896
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,280
mean i agree with everything you guys

1897
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,840
said about the cameras and the

1898
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,600
problem with these

1899
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,600
blob squatch things i mean i just don't

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01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,920
even look at that stuff anymore and you

1901
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,920
know i've always said hey i'm not saying

1902
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,000
it's not a sasquatch but even if it is

1903
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,400
it's it's a shadow it does nothing to

1904
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:10,159
advance the

1905
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,760
the uh

1906
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:13,040
you know

1907
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,480
the uh quest to prove this and obviously

1908
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,040
people who do these hoaxes

1909
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,400
make bigfoot research look even more

1910
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,040
ridiculous and for whatever reason that

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01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,679
always gets the huge publicity you know

1912
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,080
because obviously guys like rick dyer

1913
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,280
are more pt barnum than they are bigfoot

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01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,040
researcher and they know how to get the

1915
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,840
press and publicity and this is you know

1916
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,600
there's some substance to that so the

1917
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,520
media latches on to it

1918
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,360
and it was funny when he's come out with

1919
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,679
the body of hank or whatever he was

1920
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:48,159
driving around the country with

1921
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,320
you know it was posted on news sites

1922
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,920
those people didn't even check his

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01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,840
background or look into the fact that he

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was the same guy that

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that uh did the georgia bigfoot hoax

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with the freezer i mean news

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especially with the internet they just

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don't

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have any integrity or care about what

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they're posting and

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that's a huge problem and if the guy

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says he has a bigfoot body and he he

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obviously has something in her truck

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that's news and you know i think that

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unfortunately the

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media just wants hits on their blog or

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readers of their news and they don't you

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know i care anything about bigfoot

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they've already made up their mind that

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it's bunk

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you know that just makes it all look

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worse so you almost have to

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you know and i see all these researchers

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spinning their wheels about these guys i

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just completely ignore it you know i

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just i don't waste my energy on it

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they're gonna there's always gonna be

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somebody else popping up with a with a

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hoax and unfortunately

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you know i try not to spend my energy on

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that i focus it on the good stuff and

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you know

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good answer the nonstop

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but you know of course

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a media meme is very difficult to deal

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with i mean it happens in politics and

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we're not going to get into politics

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here but once they seize on a story or

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an approach to a story

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it's almost impossible to change it even

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if it's wrong

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it doesn't matter if they don't listen

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well yeah and unfortunately

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you know when i meet your

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you know just the average person on the

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street and you know that's oh what do

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you do well i write books on mysterious

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monsters or i start trying to explain

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01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:32,880
what i do and

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big for the word bigfoot oh man

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01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,159
you know there was wasn't there uh

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01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,880
didn't somebody find one in uh

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01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,840
somewhere that was in a freezer i'm

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01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,080
not just like that i know i'm like oh

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that's my steak i bought it from walmart

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yesterday

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and it was it was pork gene

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well my jewish mother would object

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yes you know you know that's kind of a

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combination i mean i'm with lyle the all

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01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,880
the hoaxers and that kind of nonsense it

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01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,400
really aggravates me but at the same

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time you know

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we can't put a lot of time and attention

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into it at least i can't personally it's

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not worth my time for one thing uh but

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01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,520
it is really aggravating and when you

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combine that with this media attitude

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and

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the mass consciousness

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that just quick headline people don't

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even read these stories they see the

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headline and that's what they go by and

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01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,880
you know just like lyle i hear this kind

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01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,480
of thing all the time oh yeah somebody

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01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,239
found one and and kept it in their

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01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,480
freezer and i'm like no

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you know obviously you read this

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01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,360
headline somewhere and that's that's

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01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:39,280
what's stuck in your consciousness and

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01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:40,880
you know it's it's gotten worse over the

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01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:44,080
last you know 10 years or so and and now

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you know the younger generations all

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01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,880
they want is instagram just a quick

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01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,239
photograph of something they don't even

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01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:50,480
have time to read a headline so it's

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really frustrating for people like us

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who are you know trying to do solid

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research and spending a lot of time in

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the field and getting details and

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information because you know i i want

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people to read the information and and

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then determine for themselves

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so then people i'm going to bring

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something up here which is always a big

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bugaboo talking about media coverage and

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either you david or you lyle can jump in

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and that is the reality shows of course

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chris has been on a few and

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once or twice things get a little screwy

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in the editing room

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are there any

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any reality shows

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providing information about bigfoot that

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are worth watching or is it all just

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garbage entertainment and garbage out

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well uh yes i think there are some that

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are you know more documentary based

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factual based that are

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you know good to watch and

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obviously a lot of them are just for

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entertainment and it's unfortunately

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hard for people to tell

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you know the difference the difference

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and that's that's the problem i mean

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it's fun to watch those shows if you

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just know

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what's up but i mean personally i was

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part of a show called monsters and

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mysteries in america and

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uh i was a story producer on the show

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for one season and appeared on on every

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season of its three season run and i can

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tell you um the people i brought forth

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the witnesses the stories that i

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developed

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those people told their stories and

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that's their exact accounts and these

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are some that i've written about in my

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books and some of these in fact some of

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the

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that i discovered through my research

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they had not come forward about their

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accounts prior

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and through my investigation so for the

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show which kind of started when they did

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a boggy creek thing and when whenever

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that happens i tend to get called so

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that started my relationship with the

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show but

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uh you know there's one example of of

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something where i

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you know obviously the reenactment sort

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of somewhat sensationalized it and they

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sort of said you know would

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and

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you know

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they gotta they gotta put some visuals

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with it but you know the people on there

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were real people they weren't fake and

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they were telling real accounts so there

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are cases like that where they're good

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shows monster quest monster quest i was

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going to say that's i've seen some very

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01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,400
impressive episodes on monster quest

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01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,639
yeah i mean good show there and you know

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01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:39,760
shows and

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01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,760
things like mountain monsters no so

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01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,360
well we have a question from one of our

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01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,000
posters at forum.theparacast.com

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01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,639
our question bank captain beyond himself

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01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,040
our own dave m who's been a long time

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01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:56,320
member of the paracast forum since 2007

2205
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,840
he asked a very simple question it's

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01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,199
right in line with what we're talking

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01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,840
about how can bigfoot research be taken

2208
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,760
seriously when you have programs like

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01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:05,679
finding bigfoot on tv

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01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,320
i mean does that are we running into the

2211
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:10,880
giggle factor really adversely

2212
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,840
impacting scientific and academia's

2213
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,400
disdain for the subject i mean for me i

2214
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,639
just don't care i just do this because i

2215
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,719
think it's interesting and i'm not out

2216
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,800
to honestly i'm not out to prove bigfoot

2217
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,480
to the world i i would like to

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01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,400
experience that myself

2219
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,840
i'm interested in the subject i do

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01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:31,199
research um

2221
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,639
you know because i'm i'm quite

2222
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:34,880
interested if if these shows are on

2223
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,159
there so be it i mean it kind of it

2224
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,120
sucks because they misrepresent things i

2225
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,960
mean finding bigfoot and i've been on

2226
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,120
that show is a

2227
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,280
you know a representation of what

2228
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,679
research is it's obviously a television

2229
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,000
show and not accurate you know but if

2230
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,080
you put the camera on most of these

2231
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:56,000
research missions

2232
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,840
uh it would be boring and nothing would

2233
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:59,600
happen they have to condense that into

2234
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,239
something and and make it television so

2235
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,239
there's a trade-off there but

2236
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,960
uh yeah i mean i just can't be bothered

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01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,920
with

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01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,159
the perception of that because bigfoot i

2239
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,000
think on the whole is already a pop

2240
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,400
culture figure it's already perceived

2241
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,080
people have already made up their mind

2242
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,080
about it it's already something they're

2243
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,360
either interested in and will give it a

2244
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:23,040
you know some intelligent thought or

2245
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,120
they just dismiss it as that's a lot of

2246
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,280
bunk and they don't care so you know i

2247
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:29,120
don't know that it makes it any worse or

2248
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,719
better

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01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,400
yeah i'm kind of with lyle on that you

2250
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,639
know and i i sort of go by the old adage

2251
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,880
that uh you'll never convince a skeptic

2252
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,360
and a believer doesn't need proof uh you

2253
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,040
know i'm not in this field to prove

2254
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:43,760
things to anybody and

2255
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,320
my proof on the shows you guys know i i

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01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,000
kind of run the whole gamut i do haunted

2257
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:50,080
locations and ufo cases and all this

2258
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,520
stuff and um

2259
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,760
you know the the shows

2260
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,159
the paranormal and reality shows in

2261
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,159
general it's it's a real two-edged sword

2262
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:00,800
because on the one hand it does create a

2263
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:02,719
certain giggle factor as you call it

2264
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,560
chris but um you know from my

2265
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:06,800
perspective the flip side of that is

2266
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:07,760
that

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01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,480
all things paranormal and

2268
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:11,840
cryptozoological and so forth have

2269
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,080
firmly become a part of pop culture now

2270
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,480
and that at the least

2271
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,639
has created a different level of comfort

2272
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,239
when it comes to people

2273
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,480
relating their stories uh you know when

2274
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:24,000
i started in this field it was really

2275
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,800
tough

2276
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,880
to get people to open up and talk about

2277
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,760
their experiences um and and it has

2278
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,840
gotten easier i mean there still are

2279
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,320
those cases where it's difficult but uh

2280
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:36,800
it is seen as being a bit more

2281
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,960
acceptable at this point you know if you

2282
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,520
saw a ghost or you saw a sasquatch or a

2283
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,840
ufo or something oh at least in the back

2284
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:45,840
of people's minds well you know there's

2285
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,840
all these shows and you know hundreds of

2286
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,040
other people have seen them so it's okay

2287
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,480
to talk about it so

2288
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,400
uh like anything else we take the good

2289
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,840
with the bad i think yeah there's an

2290
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:56,480
upside and a downside it also brings a

2291
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,470
yeah i agree it's it's a plus side that

2292
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,560
people are more willing to talk about it

2293
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,199
uh so it has brought forth i mean you

2294
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:09,120
know there's been several because

2295
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,480
uh i would get obviously the the uh

2296
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,159
the guy that called about called about

2297
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,239
the leg and all that thing that came

2298
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:19,040
because he saw finding bigfoot and that

2299
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,199
that came through cliff barrackman and

2300
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:23,040
he sends it to me because it's in here

2301
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,159
in texas

2302
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,080
so you know i see that as that guy would

2303
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,520
have never said anything but he saw it

2304
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,280
on tv and goes well

2305
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,440
maybe it was a bigfoot you know i had no

2306
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,600
idea in the 70s so let me call these

2307
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,520
folks and see if they can answer the

2308
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,600
questions so there's good to it yeah

2309
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,760
let's uh you know i want to talk with

2310
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,040
the show's

2311
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,280
zipping by here uh

2312
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,040
why don't you give us a quick thumbnail

2313
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,159
sketch of the giants of piney woods your

2314
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,080
contribution to volume one of the

2315
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:52,560
journal of sasquatch research published

2316
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,760
by david's leprechaun press

2317
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,520
well this this was a really great

2318
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:59,280
opportunity because

2319
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,159
i have really yet to write about my own

2320
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,800
home state of texas in regards to to the

2321
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:07,040
bigfoot history and so

2322
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:08,080
um

2323
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,199
this was

2324
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,440
a perfect uh

2325
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:13,760
size it was a chapter and something that

2326
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,880
i could

2327
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,320
um

2328
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,679
you know have a little bit more free

2329
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,040
form i didn't have to think about a

2330
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:21,840
whole book it was just like a concise

2331
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,480
um view of of

2332
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,560
my view of texas bigfoot history and so

2333
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:28,239
it's it's a little bit of starts a

2334
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,080
little bit of my personal experience of

2335
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,320
growing up here in texas and having

2336
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:35,040
family who was from the eastern portion

2337
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:36,239
of the state

2338
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,679
which is called the piney woods and

2339
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,120
that's where the majority of bigfoot

2340
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,360
sightings come from texas obviously

2341
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:43,520
people have a notion of the state being

2342
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,880
sort of this cowboy land with arid

2343
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,520
uh scrub brush and and things like that

2344
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,600
and certainly west texas yeah it does

2345
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,440
have that in the west where

2346
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,600
uh you know where it's dear much

2347
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,280
different than you find in the in the

2348
01:29:03,030 --> 01:28:59,840
eastern portion which is very uh heavily

2349
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:03,040
forested uh pine thick it's very swampy

2350
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:03,920
even

2351
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,880
and uh it goes against what most average

2352
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:09,600
person's view of texas is and so even as

2353
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,080
a boy traveling through parts of texas

2354
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,239
you know i was really enamored with that

2355
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,760
east texas

2356
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,719
um

2357
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,960
forestry and so

2358
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:20,320
you know i kind of went through a

2359
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,600
process of

2360
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,440
coming to learn that there were bigfoot

2361
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,760
sightings in my own state you know i

2362
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,760
previously as a kid i thought this was

2363
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:29,440
in the pacific northwest i'd seen the

2364
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:32,239
patterson film and as i became an adult

2365
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:33,760
and started researching i found that

2366
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,639
there is quite an extensive

2367
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:38,960
history of sightings of man apes in this

2368
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:41,679
area so this uh my article giants of the

2369
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,480
piney woods was just my

2370
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:46,080
take on

2371
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,679
the history um and the veracity of the

2372
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,440
sightings

2373
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,520
here in east texas and the possibility

2374
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,000
that a creature like this could actually

2375
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:57,600
be in texas

2376
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,320
and so uh that that's really uh was what

2377
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,560
it was and it was it was you know a

2378
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:04,880
great honor really to be included with

2379
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,679
such great authors i mean many of these

2380
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:09,920
are you know some i've looked up to for

2381
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:12,560
quite some time and to be in a book with

2382
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,239
with that level of of writer

2383
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,560
brotherhood and sisterhood and it was

2384
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,880
just amazing so we're definitely going

2385
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,639
to have a lot more to talk about in the

2386
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:23,920
remaining

2387
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:25,280
five segments

2388
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:27,040
of this week's episode

2389
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:29,840
exploring bigfoot giving you an update

2390
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,159
as to what's going on with research from

2391
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:33,760
the cutting edge people involved

2392
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:36,480
directly lyle blackburn

2393
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:39,040
david weatherly you're on with gene and

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01:30:53,149 --> 01:30:52,229
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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

2493
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poor man's paranormal and you're

2494
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:10,800
listening to the paracast the gold

2495
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:25,030
chris has spent many years perfecting

2496
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,639
his bigfoot imitation right good good

2497
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:30,560
catch i've been trying to do a bigfoot

2498
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,440
and i'm

2499
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:33,760
getting closer keep trying i need i need

2500
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,280
that need that that that ulf uh that

2501
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:39,199
17 cycle

2502
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,320
kind of

2503
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:41,600
glottal

2504
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,040
thunder though

2505
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,280
which i don't have the effects rack here

2506
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:47,760
it's in the studio so i can't can't come

2507
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,080
up with the real deal but i'm trying

2508
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:52,639
well you know he's also using an old

2509
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,320
conversion it's now 17 hertz yeah but i

2510
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,880
am on a yeti microphone so

2511
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,960
right hey this is interesting here about

2512
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,040
the show david you've got a yeti right

2513
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:06,000
or yeti pro you have a yeti mike chris

2514
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,600
has a yeti mic we're talking about

2515
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,080
bigfoot and i'm using a spark right now

2516
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,840
from blue but i do have it in front of

2517
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:13,760
me right before my

2518
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:14,800
aging

2519
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,920
decrepit eyes here a blue

2520
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,360
yeti pro

2521
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:22,320
isn't that an evidence of synchronicity

2522
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,360
i need one of those apparently

2523
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,040
brilliant minds think alike or something

2524
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,800
like that um

2525
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,480
well let's let's get back to talking

2526
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,000
about wood knocks volume one of the

2527
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:35,040
journal of sasquatch research with our

2528
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,920
authors uh lel blackburn and david

2529
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,679
weatherly who also

2530
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,600
uh you could say was the publisher of

2531
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:44,000
this as well and and produced this

2532
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,679
um david one of the most intriguing uh

2533
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:50,480
sets of information and research about

2534
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,199
harry hominids in in north america i

2535
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:55,280
think is contained in native american

2536
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,880
lore something that's fascinated me

2537
01:37:02,390 --> 01:36:59,199
since i was a kid i've gone out of my

2538
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:02,400
way to uh to try to dig up traditional

2539
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:04,840
information uh that goes back

2540
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,520
pre-european um influence here in north

2541
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,520
america about these creatures what did

2542
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,280
you find and and

2543
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:12,960
uh why don't you give us a quick

2544
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,639
overview of the subject and then tell us

2545
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,639
about some of the uh

2546
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,400
very compelling reports that you include

2547
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,480
in the book uh coming from the navajo

2548
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:22,480
reservation well sure my piece in the

2549
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:23,679
book is called big man on the

2550
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:27,280
reservation and it specifically focuses

2551
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:28,159
on

2552
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,400
similar to what lyle was talking about

2553
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:36,239
this is a region that you know a lot of

2554
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,760
people who have never been there they

2555
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:39,520
have a very defined

2556
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:42,239
uh idea of what the navajo reservation

2557
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:43,679
is like if they know anything about it

2558
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,800
they've probably seen a picture of

2559
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,040
shiprock and they think it's all just

2560
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,679
you know one big piece of flat land with

2561
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:50,719
uh

2562
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:52,960
rocks propping up here and that's really

2563
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:54,639
not the case it's

2564
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:56,480
it's a massive territory to begin with

2565
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,760
it's the largest native american

2566
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,040
reservation

2567
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:00,800
in the country it's

2568
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,080
just over 27 000 square miles

2569
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:06,800
territory spreads into three states

2570
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:09,520
uh utah arizona new mexico

2571
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,159
and within that space there's only about

2572
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,480
300 000 people so

2573
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,920
you know we're talking about a very

2574
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,080
stark what i think is a stunning

2575
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,800
landscape and you can literally travel

2576
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,000
through a lot of the reservation and

2577
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,920
just not see anyone

2578
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:25,920
as with anywhere else the population is

2579
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,679
mostly concentrated around the the

2580
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,679
cities that are on the reservation it's

2581
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,440
pretty compelling you know the navajos

2582
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,600
to a certain degree are still a very

2583
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,360
closed culture like a lot of native

2584
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:36,880
american tribes are

2585
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,080
but they have a long history of

2586
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,400
these you know creatures as part of

2587
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,880
their tribal lore and

2588
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,320
you know things are seen

2589
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,920
to different degrees depending on who

2590
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:49,600
you talk to but you know they're sort of

2591
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:51,360
spiritual beings they're they're

2592
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:53,119
creatures who exist

2593
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,639
uh rather coexist with the navajos but

2594
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,960
you know they're seen as something to

2595
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,280
basically leave alone and i i heard that

2596
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,199
so many times talking to different

2597
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,719
natives you know yeah we know about them

2598
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:07,360
but we leave them alone and um there's

2599
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:10,400
this whole idea that i've actually found

2600
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:12,800
among a lot of tribes around the country

2601
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,600
um

2602
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,040
this

2603
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,440
old tradition that at some point there

2604
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:19,040
was conflict

2605
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,639
between the natives and these giants you

2606
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,400
know and they all have their own tribal

2607
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:26,480
words to describe these creatures

2608
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,360
uh it usually variously translates as a

2609
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,000
hairy giant or you know

2610
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:34,320
big man and things like this

2611
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,440
and

2612
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,199
you hear some pretty intriguing stories

2613
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,400
when you travel around the country and

2614
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,880
talk to some of these natives and this

2615
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,880
concept recurs again and again that

2616
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:45,280
there was a period of conflict between

2617
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:46,400
the two

2618
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,600
uh species and that at some point that

2619
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:51,280
stopped or they came to peace or

2620
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,719
whatever and now they sort of just try

2621
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:54,960
to leave each other alone and man you

2622
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,040
hear these stories on the navajo

2623
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,040
reservation and on other reservations

2624
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,360
around the country where you know people

2625
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,360
will report these creatures coming up

2626
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,840
and you know stealing green or or

2627
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:06,960
snagging

2628
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,040
one of their sheep or chickens or

2629
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,760
something and going off and

2630
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:13,600
the natives leave them alone because

2631
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,600
they think it's better to stay at peace

2632
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,440
with these creatures rather than coming

2633
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:20,320
into conflict with them again

2634
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,199
you know

2635
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,840
one of the stunning things i have found

2636
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,840
a lot of reports on the navajo

2637
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,159
reservation talk about these creatures

2638
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,280
being between 10 and 12 feet tall

2639
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:33,199
and you know the first time i heard that

2640
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,360
i just i almost had a hard time wrapping

2641
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:37,360
my head around it because

2642
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,560
i i don't know if there's any kind of

2643
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:40,400
national average or anything in

2644
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:41,840
sasquatch i've never looked at that but

2645
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:44,560
so you know it's so common to hear

2646
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,960
sizes within the the seven to nine feet

2647
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:47,920
range

2648
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,880
but you know now sitting down talking to

2649
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,960
a family who all you know swears that

2650
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,719
they saw this creature that was 12 feet

2651
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,800
tall and again these are people have no

2652
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,400
reason to make up these stories or lie

2653
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,480
about it you know they give a very

2654
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,719
honest detailed account of what they saw

2655
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:04,560
and encountered it's just it's one of

2656
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,159
those things that you know you really

2657
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,239
had to sit back and kind of try to wrap

2658
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,719
your head around but again being on the

2659
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,639
navajo reservation and having spent time

2660
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,080
on it

2661
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,719
to me it's not inconceivable because

2662
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:19,199
here's another area that is

2663
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,119
you know sparsely populated there's a

2664
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:23,679
lot of space and places where these

2665
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,040
things could

2666
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,880
essentially live and travel about and

2667
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,080
just be

2668
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,239
you know not bothered by average people

2669
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,639
on a daily basis yeah yeah it's

2670
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,119
interesting you should mention the uh

2671
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,679
the size uh

2672
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,560
very large size uh often reported from

2673
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,239
that part of the world if you go just

2674
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,800
north and in east of there up to the

2675
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,600
hickory apache reservation you find the

2676
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:49,840
same thing that you routinely

2677
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:52,080
uh have reports from nine to even 12

2678
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,199
feet tall

2679
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,679
uh coming from the um

2680
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,920
south mountain ute uh reservation and

2681
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:59,600
the uh the hickoria reservation which

2682
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,400
would be

2683
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,040
north and east of the davao reservation

2684
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,199
and then if you go down south

2685
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,440
of the reservation to the white mountain

2686
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,239
apache reservation in 2007 there was a

2687
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:12,000
flurry of sightings

2688
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,679
of a

2689
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,760
horny bigfoot

2690
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,159
that was actually a peeping tom it would

2691
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:20,800
it would wait for couples to uh go to

2692
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,080
bed and

2693
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,480
wait for them to start start having some

2694
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:27,119
fun and they would sit outside and watch

2695
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:28,880
through the window and after about the

2696
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,119
third or fourth report of the of this

2697
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:35,040
a call was made

2698
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,480
fortunately a squad car happened to be

2699
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,119
going by on that road and was there

2700
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:41,600
within seconds of the of the 911 call

2701
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,480
being called in and the officers saw saw

2702
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:46,880
the creature uh it was illuminated in

2703
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:49,199
the headlights they got incredible uh

2704
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,000
you know footprint uh physical evidence

2705
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,960
uh they even went on uh the phoenix one

2706
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:56,880
of the phoenix network affiliates and

2707
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,159
actually talked about about the cases in

2708
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,880
um you know on on camera

2709
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:03,679
so

2710
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,080
i think we're seeing um

2711
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,080
possibly a little bit more

2712
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,719
of a you know less reluctance uh let's

2713
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,199
put it this way to keep these uh reports

2714
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:14,960
secret on the res and i think we're

2715
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,000
seeing more people coming forward um you

2716
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:21,280
mentioned the the two navajo rangers uh

2717
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:24,320
uh stan john and stanley right right

2718
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:26,159
yeah john dover and stanley milford and

2719
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,080
you know i um

2720
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:29,760
those guys i have an awful lot of

2721
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,560
respect for those guys because they

2722
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,639
are

2723
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,560
obviously they're navajo and they've

2724
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:38,880
really stepped outside the boundaries a

2725
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,880
lot in terms of traditional navajo

2726
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:42,639
belief because

2727
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:45,440
they are actively investigating claims

2728
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:47,119
of the paranormal reports of these

2729
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,280
cryptids and they will openly talk about

2730
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:54,080
things like sasquatch ufos uh skin

2731
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,280
walkers

2732
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,280
and you know for anyone who knows even a

2733
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,440
little bit about the navajo culture that

2734
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,000
is sort of mind-boggling because it is

2735
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:04,000
for instance that the term skinwalker

2736
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:05,840
you know traditional navajos won't even

2737
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:08,560
say the word because the belief is that

2738
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,159
uh just speaking

2739
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,920
that term will draw their attention so

2740
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:15,520
right

2741
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,239
so you know these guys are um they're

2742
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,000
really cutting edge i think and they're

2743
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,000
out there saying no we want to look at

2744
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,080
this phenomena and come to an

2745
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:26,400
understanding of what we're dealing with

2746
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:27,280
so

2747
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:30,800
worlds you know their

2748
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,679
their traditional beliefs

2749
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,080
and openness to approach these

2750
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,080
supernatural topics and get the

2751
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,159
information out there and examine the

2752
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,320
cases and the evidence and that's that's

2753
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:44,159
pretty cool

2754
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,880
yeah i agree uh one of the things that i

2755
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,360
was always fascinated by as a kid is

2756
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,480
hearing

2757
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,480
stories from in the pacific northwest

2758
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,800
related to native american traditions

2759
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,320
that almost

2760
01:45:02,229 --> 01:44:59,280
have an echo of the king kong

2761
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,239
meme where the tribe presents every i

2762
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,800
think four years was in in one uh case

2763
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,480
that comes to mind

2764
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,280
uh one version of the story

2765
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:10,960
every four years they would present the

2766
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,239
sasquatch where they a maiden

2767
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,880
essentially who would be staked out

2768
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basically as a gift to them to kind of

2769
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keep the peace

2770
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in a moment that's the island where of

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course they have king kong

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for people who are getting into bigfoot

2834
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2835
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we always are asked this about ufos we

2836
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:21,360
might as well cover this with regard to

2837
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:22,880
this subject

2838
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,119
what a starting point what should they

2839
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:27,280
look for listen to

2840
01:48:32,420 --> 01:48:29,360
follow up on to get a smattering of

2841
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,430
what's going on would not volume one

2842
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,639
[Laughter]

2843
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:36,239
seriously you know i get asked that

2844
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,520
question all the time i think a great

2845
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,000
starting point is jeff meldrum's

2846
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,400
sasquatch uh legend meat science that's

2847
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,159
that's a great book

2848
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,560
he's talking about research yeah i mean

2849
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,159
yeah because there's a lot of ways it

2850
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:50,080
depends on yeah what you want to look

2851
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,880
into

2852
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:52,400
meldrum's book is obviously more

2853
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,480
science-y based and

2854
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:56,320
something like uh

2855
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:57,840
john green you know

2856
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:00,560
sasquatch the apes among us is more

2857
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,560
you know just kind of give you a

2858
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:05,520
overview of sightings you know and the

2859
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,719
depth of this mystery that was my first

2860
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,280
book which i still have um

2861
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,520
so yeah it's uh boy there's a and

2862
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,199
there's a lot of good books out there i

2863
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:16,960
mean there's just been so many

2864
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:19,119
vile's book on boggy creek man i gotta

2865
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:21,119
plug that i i think this is one of the

2866
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,960
best books in the field

2867
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:25,440
easily and within the last 10 years

2868
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,480
because

2869
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,440
you know the that film

2870
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,000
almost everybody you know within our age

2871
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,239
range that's in this field now will cite

2872
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,080
that as one of their early influences

2873
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,159
and i i remember seeing that in the

2874
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,480
drive-in and

2875
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,320
you know it was just uh

2876
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,560
um it was mind-boggling and eye-opening

2877
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,320
at the same time up until that time you

2878
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,480
know all the reports i had heard about

2879
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:50,239
sasquatch were coming out of the pacific

2880
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,360
northwest

2881
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,080
and you know now here's this movie based

2882
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:56,480
on true events about a creature that's

2883
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:57,840
roaming around

2884
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:59,840
you know arkansas

2885
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:01,199
and

2886
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,320
that was

2887
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:05,040
know like i said it was really

2888
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,719
eye-opening it was like oh my gosh these

2889
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:08,960
things are other places too

2890
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:12,080
and uh no one had really

2891
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,960
dug in and examined

2892
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:17,280
you know the whole thing the reports and

2893
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,159
and

2894
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:20,000
all the aspects of the falc monster

2895
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:22,159
until lyle did it so i you know full

2896
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,600
disclosure allows a really good friend

2897
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,639
of mine

2898
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:26,960
but i swear this book is just it's

2899
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,520
outstanding it really is so we don't use

2900
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,159
harry and the hendersons as an example

2901
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:34,880
of learning about bigfoot

2902
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,119
no well

2903
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:39,360
well some in the field might

2904
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:42,800
you know it reflects some you know uh

2905
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,600
you know real aspects of of it with uh

2906
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,520
you know the the bigfoot hunter and the

2907
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,199
guy who owns the museum those are very

2908
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,360
real things even today but you know it

2909
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,360
yeah there's just a lot out there and

2910
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,840
and thank you david uh for your comments

2911
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,320
on the beast of boggy creek um

2912
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:00,800
i think uh in some ways you know my book

2913
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,040
appealed to a broader audience because

2914
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,440
it you know was talking about

2915
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,920
uh a cult classic horror film as well

2916
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,520
and i know i've kind of

2917
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:11,679
opened the eye opened eyes because

2918
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:13,920
somebody who's read that reads my book

2919
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:16,239
and sees wow there's some truth behind

2920
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,600
this and this is

2921
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,199
uh you know while it was an entertaining

2922
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,360
film it was based on real life reports

2923
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,960
that turned out to be

2924
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,199
something that has continued on in that

2925
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,280
area and i think people that read my

2926
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:29,360
book thought oh this is level-headed and

2927
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:31,440
wow if that's true well i want to look

2928
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,119
into bigfoot and i've had other i've had

2929
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,800
people follow up and ask me what else

2930
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,920
should i

2931
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,840
read that's that's great this is cool

2932
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,840
stuff and so yeah i started referring

2933
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:41,599
them to john green and

2934
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,560
um you know stuff like that and

2935
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,840
and then you know you just kind of

2936
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,840
branch out as you go

2937
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,239
let's turn that around what should they

2938
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:53,440
avoid in learning about bigfoot the

2939
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:55,760
books or the researchers who are not

2940
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:58,000
really advancing the cause of of

2941
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:00,400
learning more about these creatures

2942
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:03,119
shaking their money maker exactly hoping

2943
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,199
to make money from it which of course in

2944
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,440
these fields doesn't happen very often

2945
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:09,520
i'd weigh in and say if you're just

2946
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:11,119
starting in the field and you're

2947
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,400
interested

2948
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,520
focus

2949
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:15,840
before you're out there in the field

2950
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,199
focus on some solid research with the

2951
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,920
titles that we've mentioned and avoid

2952
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,159
uh a couple things one sitting for hours

2953
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:25,920
watching you know recorded bigfoot

2954
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:28,480
footage on youtube um

2955
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,040
you know avoid examining the the blob

2956
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,040
squash photos and all those types of

2957
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:36,000
things and uh you know sidestep some of

2958
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:38,080
the reality shows for now they're within

2959
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,679
the the field in general whether it's

2960
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,840
cryptozoology or hauntings or whatever

2961
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:43,520
we've got a whole generation that's

2962
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:44,800
coming up

2963
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,360
terming themselves investigators and

2964
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,119
using has their credential the fact that

2965
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,199
they've seen you know every episode of

2966
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,880
finding bigfoot or you know ghost

2967
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:54,480
adventurers or what you know fill in the

2968
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,360
blank

2969
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:56,800
those shows

2970
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,280
while there is a side of validity to

2971
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,119
them they are entertainment and they are

2972
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,199
not true representations

2973
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,520
of what it's like to actively look for

2974
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,239
this creature yeah i agree that don't

2975
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,880
get caught up in those lobster videos

2976
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,639
and trying to analyze those things it's

2977
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,639
just kind of a waste of time there's

2978
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,480
those are not of the quality to prove

2979
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:18,480
anything look into the patterson film

2980
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:20,239
obviously that's something to know about

2981
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:21,599
there's

2982
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:23,920
uh bill muntz has written a good book on

2983
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,080
that there's plenty of books um but yeah

2984
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,080
i mean you know if somebody's got their

2985
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:30,239
notepad out here's the here's a couple

2986
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,040
of names to look up john green

2987
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,199
you know jeff meldrum of course

2988
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:37,520
dr grover krantz

2989
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,239
k-r-a-n-t-z

2990
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,400
and lauren coleman has a great book uh

2991
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:44,000
bigfoot the true story of apes in

2992
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,520
america is one

2993
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:47,760
um in the bigfoot casebook those give

2994
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,639
you a good you know solid view of of

2995
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,239
what's going on out there and then you

2996
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:54,239
can just sort of use that to branch off

2997
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,599
you've got some knowledge some

2998
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:57,040
background and then when you look at

2999
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:58,000
these

3000
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,840
you know blob squatches you got a little

3001
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,880
more

3002
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,719
uh

3003
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:05,520
buffer zone between that and

3004
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:08,560
good writing and good research right and

3005
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,040
and do uh keep in mind this is a

3006
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,320
worldwide phenomenon uh there are these

3007
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:16,800
types of reports on virtually every

3008
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:19,280
continent except maybe antarctica

3009
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:20,560
on the planet

3010
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uh hatcher childress's book sasquatch

3011
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,280
yetis and harry giants i think is a good

3012
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:27,599
book that gives you a well-rounded look

3013
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:29,360
at the al masti

3014
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,119
uh the yetis uh the wild man the durang

3015
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,639
pendak uh there's a number of a very

3016
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:39,040
famous cultural examples of these

3017
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,840
creatures uh all over the world so again

3018
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:44,159
this isn't just a north american

3019
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:45,920
phenomenon this is a worldwide

3020
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:48,639
phenomenon and there is a bit of a

3021
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:51,360
research curve and i think anyone that's

3022
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,880
coming into the field and is interested

3023
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:53,920
in this subject should have a

3024
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:56,080
well-rounded knowledge of how how this

3025
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,239
is manifesting uh elsewhere

3026
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,719
yeah absolutely i agree with that chris

3027
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,080
well put

3028
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,480
let's kind of uh shake it up here a

3029
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:06,159
little bit we we do have some questions

3030
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,599
at the question bank here at the

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paracast uh if you want to

3032
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,480
write questions uh and post them in our

3033
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,719
question bank we'll read them uh out and

3034
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:16,639
ask our guests for you

3035
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,400
this one goes to lyle

3036
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,000
you know we were talking blobsquatches

3037
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:22,400
here's another phenomenon that seems to

3038
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:24,719
have taken on a life of its own

3039
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,679
lyle

3040
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,400
youtube is rife with videos of people

3041
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:29,840
usually of influence and power

3042
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,000
inadvertently being caught allegedly

3043
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:34,239
slightly shape-shifting to give you

3044
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:36,560
example their eyes become elongated like

3045
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,880
lizards uh i've even been accused of

3046
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:40,960
being a lizard person believe it or not

3047
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:44,000
wait a minute

3048
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:52,470
okay a lizard person chris o'brien yeah

3049
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,159
i've heard many things about you i've

3050
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:55,920
heard grumpy chris

3051
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:58,000
yeah political chris

3052
01:56:02,310 --> 01:55:58,960
and now

3053
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:02,320
lizard chris he's a reptilian

3054
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:03,199
yeah

3055
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,400
um

3056
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:05,920
that was gonna be my follow-up to

3057
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,159
elizabeth

3058
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,560
chris man the reptilian

3059
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:12,239
explains all those bloody marys you were

3060
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,080
drinking down at ufo congress when we

3061
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:17,040
were down there chris oh okay uh virgin

3062
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,360
mary's but uh who's who's who's uh

3063
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,840
squabbling well what do you think other

3064
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,440
than the fact that obviously they're

3065
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,440
dealing with gross uh youtube

3066
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:27,599
compression of the video and and you're

3067
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,000
seeing pixels jumping all over

3068
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:32,800
in any video uh what do you make of of

3069
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,599
this particular kind of phenomenon and

3070
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,440
the the last part of the question says

3071
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,360
have you ever seen one that that gave

3072
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:41,040
you pause i have

3073
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,599
honestly i i'm not really it's like the

3074
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,599
blob squatches i just don't look much

3075
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,199
into that because

3076
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,960
it's just

3077
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,800
there's just no way to tell i mean i

3078
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:53,280
underst i'm quite familiar with all the

3079
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:55,280
theories and the reptilian thing and

3080
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,119
having written lizard man i have to go

3081
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:59,040
into that territory but

3082
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:01,599
um you know i just don't find

3083
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:03,760
it offers much

3084
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,239
solid proof of anything those videos you

3085
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,159
know i would have to see a much more

3086
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:10,639
drastic transformation of one of these

3087
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:12,080
lizard creatures

3088
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,560
and you know possibly that's if they do

3089
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:16,159
exist that is their

3090
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:19,199
forte is to not reveal very much but i

3091
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:22,000
don't find anything in those videos to

3092
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:24,239
give me any kind of solid proof of

3093
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:25,760
anything it's just like the blob

3094
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:28,239
squatches it's looking for things

3095
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in places where

3096
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it may or may not exist let's break here

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folks we've got lyle david gene and

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is that like the creature from lord of

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the rings or something my precious

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i was trying to get the the long s in

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there with a little little clicky tee at

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the end

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moving right along you know again folks

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when you're looking on the internet

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assume a mundane explanation and like

3210
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:25,199
lyle said unless it's something that's

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02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:26,480
just

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02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:27,679
you know

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02:02:31,109 --> 02:02:29,360
you'll probably hear about it before

3214
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:31,119
you'll see it if it's real

3215
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:33,679
uh chances are because it'll be so

3216
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:36,000
sensational but uh you know just assume

3217
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:38,480
that these things are not real as and

3218
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:40,239
assume there's a mundane explanation

3219
02:02:42,629 --> 02:02:41,280
before you

3220
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:42,639
uh begin

3221
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:45,599
uh sharing these things liking them

3222
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:46,880
and giving them

3223
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:48,560
more legs that they don't deserve and i

3224
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:49,920
think i think our guests would agree

3225
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:51,040
with that

3226
02:02:54,629 --> 02:02:53,360
um david we have a question from one of

3227
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:54,639
our recent

3228
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:58,000
guests on the show walter bosley who's

3229
02:03:02,390 --> 02:03:00,080
author of a number of books that look at

3230
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:02,400
the great airship wave and a possible

3231
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:04,000
breakaway civilization that may have

3232
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:06,800
been responsible for some of these

3233
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:10,320
sighting reports back in the 1890s

3234
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,239
he's an ex-investigator for the air

3235
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:14,400
force and the fbi counterintelligence

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02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:17,040
expert and uh we're

3237
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:18,800
very grateful to have him asking

3238
02:03:23,109 --> 02:03:21,040
questions on our question bank so

3239
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:23,119
walters says you know he confesses that

3240
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,719
he's not personally familiar with the

3241
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:26,400
details of your black-eyed children

3242
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,520
research or the the bek phenomenon so he

3243
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:31,360
says forgive my ignorance but what have

3244
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:33,119
you found if anything in comparative

3245
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:35,360
analysis of this phenomenon and these

3246
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:39,040
reports and those of fairy folklore

3247
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:40,320
have you found

3248
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:43,360
some sort of cool uh you know megonian

3249
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:46,320
type uh connection between uh the bek

3250
02:03:51,430 --> 02:03:48,719
phenomenon and and ferry reports from

3251
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:51,440
from history oh wow that's a big

3252
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:52,800
question

3253
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:54,800
i'm not sure how to give a short answer

3254
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,560
to that but

3255
02:04:01,990 --> 02:03:58,800
essentially i'd say yes there are some

3256
02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:02,000
connections um simply because

3257
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:03,679
you know we seem to be dealing with

3258
02:04:06,950 --> 02:04:05,440
something in terms of the black-eyed

3259
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:06,960
children i think we're dealing with

3260
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:08,639
something that is

3261
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:11,119
dimensional in nature and when you start

3262
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:13,199
delving into those areas

3263
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:16,239
there does seem to be a lot of crossover

3264
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:19,119
you know there are connections between

3265
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:22,960
uh some of the accounts of beks and some

3266
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,520
of the ancient accounts of uh you know

3267
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:28,639
fairy encounters this sense of distorted

3268
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:30,719
time or missing time

3269
02:04:35,589 --> 02:04:33,599
you know these these various uh feelings

3270
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:35,599
and experiences there there are some

3271
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:37,520
connections in terms of for instance the

3272
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:40,000
lore of the changeling in europe you

3273
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:42,719
know this idea that the fey would come

3274
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:44,800
and and switch someone

3275
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:47,840
and take their place essentially and

3276
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:50,159
you know there are are some correlations

3277
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:51,760
there

3278
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,599
without really going into detail i mean

3279
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:55,360
i think that's the short answer that i

3280
02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:57,679
can give is is yeah that's but that's

3281
02:05:01,270 --> 02:04:59,520
something we could easily spend you know

3282
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:01,280
a whole show exploring

3283
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:03,599
exactly and i've noticed that there

3284
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:04,400
seems

3285
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,639
to be a slight uptick in reports lately

3286
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:08,880
uh be k sightings we've had a flurry of

3287
02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:09,760
of

3288
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:19,679
these on a regular basis and what's

3289
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,040
stunning about is that you know there's

3290
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:22,960
other people who are sort of following

3291
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:25,520
the phenomena and collecting reports and

3292
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:27,199
uh other researchers and they get

3293
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:29,119
different reports than i do so there's

3294
02:05:34,229 --> 02:05:31,760
definitely an upswing in the number of

3295
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:34,239
cases and simultaneously what's

3296
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:36,800
happening is that a lot of people are

3297
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,040
sort of digging back through

3298
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:41,520
old cases you know prior to television

3299
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:43,760
and the internet and they're turning up

3300
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:46,239
a lot of the things that um you know a

3301
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:48,800
lot of these old cases that clearly fit

3302
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:50,719
the same parameters and that was

3303
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:52,159
something that i did when i researched

3304
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:54,320
the book i really wanted to find you

3305
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:55,599
know what was the connection here is

3306
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:58,000
this a new phenomena uh with an urban

3307
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:59,440
legend connection or is it something

3308
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,920
that's been here the whole time and one

3309
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:03,199
of the things i found when i did my

3310
02:06:07,109 --> 02:06:04,400
research

3311
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:07,119
does it trip out that acronym bek or

3312
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:08,960
black eyed children you just look for

3313
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:11,119
the parameters of the encounters there

3314
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:13,040
are a lot of old cases it's just that

3315
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,159
people were

3316
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:16,719
you know using whatever their cultural

3317
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:19,599
or religious beliefs at the time were to

3318
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:20,719
identify

3319
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:23,440
the same thing uh so you know somebody

3320
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:24,719
might encounter one of these things in

3321
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:27,599
the 1950s and you know say that they met

3322
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:29,440
a demon or something demonic you know or

3323
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:30,400
the devil

3324
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:31,760
because that's the only way they had to

3325
02:06:36,229 --> 02:06:34,719
explain it uh the term wasn't around so

3326
02:06:38,149 --> 02:06:36,239
it's pretty stunning how many of these

3327
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:38,159
cases are now surfacing

3328
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,199
yeah

3329
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:41,280
how about you lyle i remember when we

3330
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:43,040
had you on the show we had a fascinating

3331
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:45,040
discussion about the the outbreak of

3332
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:47,760
lizard uh man reports

3333
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,920
what was that in georgia i think right

3334
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,159
uh south carolina south carolina rather

3335
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,760
okay sorry i've

3336
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:55,440
been corrected here

3337
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:58,480
one of the more unusual uh types of

3338
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,599
crypto

3339
02:07:05,669 --> 02:07:00,960
uh

3340
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:05,679
sightings i'm sure if there were any

3341
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:07,040
you'd probably be the one that would

3342
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:09,119
hear about them have we seen any more of

3343
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:11,679
these types of very rare sightings no i

3344
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:13,520
haven't heard of any credible lizard man

3345
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:16,159
sightings lately or reptilian humanoid

3346
02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:18,320
sighting so to speak um

3347
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:22,079
now of course when my book came out and

3348
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:25,520
i i did as always i got some

3349
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:27,760
additional reports from people in other

3350
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:29,920
places around the country that had past

3351
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:32,000
sightings there were none that were they

3352
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,679
were more current there was one that was

3353
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,760
i would i would say within about three

3354
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,440
years ago it wasn't

3355
02:07:41,589 --> 02:07:39,440
you know i mean as current as it gets

3356
02:07:42,390 --> 02:07:41,599
and some of those dated back

3357
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:42,400
uh

3358
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,000
you know to the

3359
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:46,560
90s the 80s other things so i did get

3360
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:47,440
more

3361
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:48,960
just from people who had really never

3362
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:51,360
reported it you know uh when i did the

3363
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:53,920
research for the book obviously i went

3364
02:07:57,430 --> 02:07:55,760
not only in the bishopville lizard man

3365
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:57,440
case of south carolina which is sort of

3366
02:08:02,069 --> 02:07:59,920
the pinnacle famous one but uh you know

3367
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:02,079
i looked at other similar reports around

3368
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:04,639
north america and so it was cool to have

3369
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:07,119
other reports come in uh but you know

3370
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:09,119
they're they're few and far between

3371
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:10,880
they're not like bigfoot reports where i

3372
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:11,760
can get

3373
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:12,719
you know

3374
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:15,920
multiple reports a week not not to

3375
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:17,840
mention all the other guys that research

3376
02:08:21,750 --> 02:08:19,440
this and find them but

3377
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:21,760
um you know the lizardman but it kind of

3378
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,280
interests me that way because it's a

3379
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:25,760
little more unique it's a little more

3380
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:28,320
uh strange and an obscure type of

3381
02:08:34,149 --> 02:08:31,840
cryptid and so it's it's it's quality

3382
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:34,159
over quantity i think in the lizardman

3383
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:35,199
research

3384
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,560
no

3385
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:38,719
how about worldwide is this something i

3386
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:41,760
i would imagine with the types of of

3387
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,840
of folklore and legends that you see

3388
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:45,599
especially in asia

3389
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:48,639
around the nagas and

3390
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:51,119
in china dragons which are very

3391
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:54,079
reminiscent of of a lizard man type

3392
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:56,159
of description

3393
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:57,679
what have you found about more

3394
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:59,040
contemporary

3395
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:00,480
citing uh

3396
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:02,800
incidents or or reports from uh from

3397
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,239
around the world is this something that

3398
02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:06,079
we're seeing elsewhere

3399
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:08,400
i didn't find a lot now i didn't you

3400
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:11,040
know in the scope of the research sort

3401
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,560
of i used the north american continent

3402
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:16,560
which you know that mostly in the book i

3403
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:19,280
focus on that that one case but

3404
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:20,880
uh you know i didn't do a lot of

3405
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:23,199
research into international but

3406
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,360
uh as far as i've seen i just haven't

3407
02:09:30,069 --> 02:09:27,920
seen a lot of lizard man sightings on an

3408
02:09:31,830 --> 02:09:30,079
international level

3409
02:09:33,189 --> 02:09:31,840
although you know if you start digging

3410
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:33,199
back through

3411
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:35,520
you know history folklore and everything

3412
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:38,239
else you've you've got a definite trend

3413
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:38,960
of

3414
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:41,840
archetype

3415
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:45,440
of humanoid reptilian combinations with

3416
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,400
you know

3417
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:48,480
people with lizard heads and you've got

3418
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:51,360
gods and other characters so this this

3419
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:52,719
sort of thing

3420
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:55,760
has been present throughout time

3421
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,239
and now in the modern era i'm kind of

3422
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,320
looking at when people report seeing

3423
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,239
this more in the physical sense not in

3424
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:04,800
terms of you know is a folklore creature

3425
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:07,199
but somebody actually saw something that

3426
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:09,520
they described as reptilian

3427
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:11,840
uh walking on two legs it's just a

3428
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,040
frightening

3429
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:15,280
notion and sort of you know peaks my

3430
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:17,840
interest in this sort of a creepy modern

3431
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:20,320
day creature from the black lagoon

3432
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:22,560
type case so before we talk about the

3433
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:23,599
creature

3434
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:25,599
from the black lagoon no we're not going

3435
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:28,639
to talk about that lyle david gene and

3436
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:39,430
[Applause]

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3550
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:56,950
hi it's grant cameron from presidential

3551
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:00,639
ufo.com you're listening to the pericast

3552
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:10,310
i thought chris was going to say the

3553
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:12,400
black lagoon you know chris we've got

3554
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:13,760
some of that lore right here in the

3555
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:16,320
southwest because yeah when you go down

3556
02:15:20,629 --> 02:15:18,159
around the superstition mountains which

3557
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:20,639
is another you know very strange area

3558
02:15:24,790 --> 02:15:23,599
i've spent some time uh there's a lot of

3559
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:24,800
legends

3560
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:26,800
revolving around these these lizard

3561
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:27,920
beings and

3562
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:29,920
there you know this tribal war

3563
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:32,159
that um parts of the superstitions are

3564
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,719
just taboo land there's a legend that

3565
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:36,960
the king of the the lizard people you

3566
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:38,719
know lives within the superstition

3567
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:40,800
mountains and uh you know there's

3568
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:41,760
there's

3569
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:44,079
tribal stories about these bipedal

3570
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,599
lizard creatures

3571
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:48,239
uh that live in in caves and tunnels

3572
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:50,320
underneath those mountains so you know

3573
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,149
very widespread like lyle said there's a

3574
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:58,239
lot of mythology around the world and

3575
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:59,520
there's a lot of

3576
02:16:02,629 --> 02:16:01,360
tribal war from different cultures that

3577
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:02,639
talk about

3578
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:05,520
these you know lizard bipedal lizard

3579
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:07,040
creatures so

3580
02:16:11,589 --> 02:16:09,360
whatever these things are it seems to be

3581
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,599
you know firmly implanted

3582
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:13,920
to some degree in our

3583
02:16:19,030 --> 02:16:16,880
tribal memory so to speak yeah i i just

3584
02:16:21,669 --> 02:16:19,040
recently did a um

3585
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:21,679
a shootout at mount lassen for

3586
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:24,320
the mysteries of national parks

3587
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:26,719
um i think it's on that geo and

3588
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:28,719
they wanted me to talk about reptilians

3589
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:30,320
that lived under mount lassen so they

3590
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:31,599
said chris why don't you tell us about

3591
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:33,200
the reptilians that live under mount

3592
02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:34,719
lassen and i said

3593
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,599
well according to my knowledge and

3594
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:39,679
according to my research there's not one

3595
02:16:44,389 --> 02:16:42,559
single reference anywhere that talks

3596
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:44,399
about reptilians living under mount

3597
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:46,399
lassen

3598
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:47,760
and the guy laughed at me and said okay

3599
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:50,160
you're really funny uh chris why don't

3600
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:53,439
you tell us about reptilians i said well

3601
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:55,679
there is not one shred of evidence that

3602
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:01,270
and he realized i was serious so he had

3603
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:03,599
he had a tough interview very tough

3604
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:05,120
and i'm sure you guys probably would

3605
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:07,679
have responded the same way i did i did

3606
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:10,319
say that if i was a reptilian and i had

3607
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:12,160
a choice of where to live i'd probably

3608
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:13,840
want to live somewhere in the volcano

3609
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:15,519
because i'm cold-blooded and i need the

3610
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:20,950
well certainly bigfoot would hate this

3611
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:23,040
part of arizona like today is one of our

3612
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:24,240
cold days

3613
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:26,319
it's 83 degrees right now in mesa

3614
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:29,519
arizona now this week it's not going to

3615
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:32,000
go above 100 until saturday and the day

3616
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:34,639
the show is broadcast it'll be 99 and

3617
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,479
raining i guess that's not the proper

3618
02:17:40,469 --> 02:17:38,399
place for bigfoot huh

3619
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:40,479
well no the moguian monster is very

3620
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:43,120
famous along the uh the southern edge of

3621
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,519
the colorado plateau we've had like i

3622
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:47,599
said sightings in 2007 i think there

3623
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,760
were five or six we've had sightings

3624
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:51,920
near ashfork williams

3625
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:53,599
page springs

3626
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:55,040
up on the rim

3627
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,439
just by lake mary last year there was a

3628
02:18:02,389 --> 02:17:59,359
sighting last november outside of

3629
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:02,399
flagstaff so they tend to stick to in

3630
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:04,719
the higher elevations you don't hear of

3631
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,240
reports or claims of sightings

3632
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,639
down in the sonoran desert for instance

3633
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:13,040
but there was a lizard man report that

3634
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,960
was filed about three or four years ago

3635
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,960
uh outside of tucson by some mountain

3636
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:19,040
bikers who who that's right really

3637
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:21,359
freaked out about it now just to point

3638
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:23,439
out in terms of comparisons

3639
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:25,519
the temperature in williams arizona as

3640
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:26,800
we speak

3641
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,439
is 76 it's 83 where i am but the

3642
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:30,880
temperature is going to be anywhere from

3643
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,800
10 to 20 degrees

3644
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:35,120
colder than the phoenix area of course

3645
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,040
tucson is pretty hot usually

3646
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:39,120
right well i could see lizardmen wanting

3647
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:40,559
to live in the sonoran desert but

3648
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:42,399
bigfoot you know with that big old fur

3649
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:44,800
coat that he's uh perpetually wearing it

3650
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,719
no wonder they smell

3651
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:48,639
oh yeah i mean that's create a skunk

3652
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:50,960
cape right there for sure you got it man

3653
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,639
this so man

3654
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:54,240
you're triple digits for almost four

3655
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:57,040
months out of the year down there and uh

3656
02:19:01,429 --> 02:18:59,359
i'll tell you there's no

3657
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,439
antiperspirant deodorant that's going to

3658
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:03,679
to even put a dent

3659
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:06,479
in the smell that i smelled on the right

3660
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:09,120
at the base of mount shasta in 79 oh my

3661
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:11,040
god i have never smelled anything as

3662
02:19:14,549 --> 02:19:13,040
foul in my life i don't know if you guys

3663
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,559
have ever smelled it but it's it's not

3664
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:16,160
something that that you can even get out

3665
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:19,040
of your nose you can still smell it so

3666
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:20,960
anyway moving right along

3667
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:22,800
keep it down guys

3668
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:25,040
i do have a another question at the

3669
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:27,439
question bank for our guests and i think

3670
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:28,880
this is kind of for both you and it

3671
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:31,840
comes from greer's meeting planner now

3672
02:19:37,830 --> 02:19:34,960
how's that for a avatar on a forum

3673
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,840
of i guess that's homage to steven grier

3674
02:19:41,110 --> 02:19:39,599
i would assume

3675
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:41,120
anyway he's been a member of the

3676
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:43,679
paracast for exactly

3677
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:45,040
one year

3678
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,200
welcome back greer's meeting planner

3679
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,200
assuming susquash is an earth-based

3680
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,520
mammal and product of evolution these

3681
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:52,880
animals would need numbers in the

3682
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:54,720
hundreds to maintain a healthy breeding

3683
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:57,760
population in the thoughts and how a

3684
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:59,439
whole breeding population may avoid

3685
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:01,200
discovery well we kind of

3686
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:03,680
we've already addressed that that second

3687
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,880
point but

3688
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:06,720
what about the genealogy we're talking

3689
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,560
about real small numbers of creatures uh

3690
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:12,479
you know you do have to have

3691
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,399
a certain number of of different genetic

3692
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,880
lines to maintain a viable population

3693
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:20,880
before you start running into

3694
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:24,000
six-toed bigfoots with uh you know weird

3695
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:25,840
physical deformities

3696
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:27,840
um i have heard a report of a crippled

3697
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:31,040
bigfoot once um so maybe that does

3698
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:32,160
happen but

3699
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,920
but how do they maintain a healthy

3700
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:35,520
breeding population with such few

3701
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:39,040
numbers and and and so widely

3702
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:41,840
scattered i guess bands if you will

3703
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:44,080
now you want to tackle that one first

3704
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:45,280
well i think

3705
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:47,040
under those parameters we would have to

3706
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:48,960
assume that they do

3707
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:50,479
you know travel

3708
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:52,160
uh

3709
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:54,880
large you know territories and that

3710
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:57,280
therefore intermingle with each other

3711
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:58,800
and that might explain some of the

3712
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:59,920
sightings

3713
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,800
uh

3714
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:02,560
you know they seem to be just about

3715
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:04,399
everywhere but you know it could be the

3716
02:21:09,270 --> 02:21:06,880
same individuals being seen

3717
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:09,280
here and there as they move and they

3718
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:10,880
would need to

3719
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,200
you know uh

3720
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,960
intermingle that way they're not just

3721
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:17,200
that they're not just in one small area

3722
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:18,479
with you know

3723
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:21,600
20 big foot interbreeding although

3724
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,160
of course the inner breeding is is is

3725
02:21:28,309 --> 02:21:26,240
possible and that might explain some of

3726
02:21:30,150 --> 02:21:28,319
the three-toed tracks the four-toed

3727
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,160
tracks because the feet are one of the

3728
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:32,800
things that uh will be the first to

3729
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:34,080
deform

3730
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,280
during uh low populations and inbreeding

3731
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:39,680
so you know the fact that we

3732
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:42,880
do have reports of various toes and

3733
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:45,200
various shapes of foot you know it could

3734
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:48,240
explain that but you know ultimately

3735
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:50,080
there would have to be enough population

3736
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,560
to sustain themselves and they would

3737
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:54,640
have to have a wide range of territory

3738
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:57,200
to roam you know such as i mean mountain

3739
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,760
lions they they reign

3740
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,280
throughout a huge

3741
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:03,520
territory you know hundreds of miles

3742
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:06,240
often and you know they're often seen as

3743
02:22:10,309 --> 02:22:08,080
solitary creatures are here and there

3744
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,319
but somehow they maintain

3745
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:12,399
their population and breed and

3746
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:13,600
interbreed

3747
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:16,080
uh avoid that and so you know bigfoot

3748
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:19,040
would conceivably operate the same way

3749
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:20,240
yeah

3750
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:24,319
gave a great answer and the mountain

3751
02:22:27,910 --> 02:22:26,160
lion analogy is a very good one you know

3752
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:27,920
we have very healthy populations

3753
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:29,840
mountain lions around the country by by

3754
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:32,000
all evidence you know one thing i would

3755
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:35,280
add on this discussion is that there's a

3756
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:37,280
real misconception i think among a lot

3757
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:39,520
of people that you know

3758
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,439
a large population of these creatures

3759
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:43,600
just couldn't exist without us knowing

3760
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:46,080
about it and the thing is is that most

3761
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:48,399
people live in larger cities

3762
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,120
and you know they have this uh sort of

3763
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,280
subconscious idea that

3764
02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:55,200
everything is sort of discovered and

3765
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,479
known by man but the reality is very far

3766
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:00,800
from that a great example

3767
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:02,720
to look at is the state of utah i'm up

3768
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:04,560
here doing some

3769
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,160
research now and if you look at that

3770
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:08,880
state on a map you know there's the i-15

3771
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,720
corridor runs right at the center of the

3772
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:13,040
state and the bulk of the population in

3773
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:15,600
the state lives along that corridor

3774
02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:18,319
you go off of that very far and you get

3775
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:21,120
into a lot of you know sort of wild

3776
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:23,359
unexplored region and

3777
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:25,040
this is true for a lot of states

3778
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,200
particularly out west there's just vast

3779
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:29,680
amounts of land that don't see human

3780
02:23:34,389 --> 02:23:32,800
contact on a daily basis so it's to me

3781
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:34,399
once you experience some of that it's

3782
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,640
easily conceivable that there are large

3783
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:38,960
numbers of these creatures and as lyle

3784
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:41,840
said they they likely have a very uh big

3785
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:44,399
territory and you know migrate back and

3786
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:45,840
forth they probably travel up into

3787
02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:49,760
canada and regions like that so

3788
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:51,680
you know the potential for a pretty

3789
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,520
large population of these creatures is

3790
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:56,000
just that they're very spread out

3791
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:58,240
okay well we have another question from

3792
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,520
greer's meeting planner and it's pretty

3793
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:04,160
simple bigfoot and ufos what connection

3794
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:06,640
if any of course we do have

3795
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:09,439
the famous stan gordon pennsylvania case

3796
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,080
which he's talked about on the show

3797
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:14,000
that's one of the better more compelling

3798
02:24:17,910 --> 02:24:15,200
cases

3799
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,920
um what do you guys think uh you know

3800
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:19,840
bigfoot and ufos

3801
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:21,840
let's save that for our final segment

3802
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:23,760
with david weatherly

3803
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:25,760
and lyle blackburn i'm so glad they're

3804
02:24:29,830 --> 02:24:27,600
both here because i'm learning lots from

3805
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:29,840
this show with jean and chris you're in

3806
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:39,510
[Applause]

3807
02:24:44,270 --> 02:24:43,040
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3808
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:44,280
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3809
02:24:49,349 --> 02:24:47,040
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i'm also learning that all those crazy

3920
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:18,640
voices chris has tried are not to sound

3921
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:21,520
like batman because nobody sounds as

3922
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:24,720
guttural as christian bale in the dark

3923
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:26,240
knight you couldn't understand what he

3924
02:29:30,870 --> 02:29:28,960
said he's trying to be like bigfoot okay

3925
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:30,880
so the question is the possible

3926
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:32,160
relationship

3927
02:29:37,990 --> 02:29:35,359
between bigfoot and ufos lyle why don't

3928
02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:38,000
you go on this first well i can't deny

3929
02:29:42,389 --> 02:29:39,280
that there is

3930
02:29:43,910 --> 02:29:42,399
some corresponding reports of of those

3931
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:43,920
two being together and of course you

3932
02:29:47,190 --> 02:29:45,200
know stan

3933
02:29:50,710 --> 02:29:47,200
stan's cases uh

3934
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:50,720
certainly stand out in that regard but i

3935
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:53,359
mean the majority of bigfoot sightings

3936
02:29:59,110 --> 02:29:55,840
i've ever investigated did not involve

3937
02:30:00,630 --> 02:29:59,120
any sort of ufo sighting or ufo flap or

3938
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,640
anything else

3939
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:02,640
so while i can't

3940
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,520
explain why there's certain times where

3941
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,359
there's a lot of ufo sightings and

3942
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:09,359
there's a corresponding bigfoot

3943
02:30:13,990 --> 02:30:11,439
sightings to me

3944
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:14,000
there just isn't a permanent link

3945
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:16,000
in those because if you know if there

3946
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:17,600
was always

3947
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:20,160
a few of those those landed and let off

3948
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:23,200
bigfoots and then people saw the bigfoot

3949
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:25,359
there would have to be the the ufo

3950
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:27,280
sighting because it's hard to miss ufos

3951
02:30:30,550 --> 02:30:28,960
typically so

3952
02:30:32,230 --> 02:30:30,560
you know i don't know what that

3953
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:32,240
connection is but i don't think that

3954
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:35,520
it's you know exclusive that bigfoot

3955
02:30:40,950 --> 02:30:38,880
is of ufos to me i just again assumed

3956
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:40,960
assume that those are coincidence those

3957
02:30:45,910 --> 02:30:43,600
are the the more exceptional coincidence

3958
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:45,920
and bigfoot is indeed separate from an

3959
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:47,520
extraterrestrial

3960
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:49,920
well the thing is also chris and i

3961
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:52,640
have said with regard to ufos

3962
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,800
it may be something that's real

3963
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:56,640
something that can be

3964
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:58,240
obviously a pretty compelling history

3965
02:31:03,750 --> 02:31:01,439
but not necessarily e.t

3966
02:31:05,590 --> 02:31:03,760
you know i think that um well i'm with

3967
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:05,600
lyle i don't think that ufos are

3968
02:31:09,670 --> 02:31:07,520
dropping off you know sasquatch around

3969
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:09,680
the country or anything like that but uh

3970
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:12,160
there is a curious connection in terms

3971
02:31:17,110 --> 02:31:14,399
of there being a lot of cases

3972
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:17,120
where people have you know talked about

3973
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,680
both both phenomena uh within the same

3974
02:31:23,910 --> 02:31:21,920
space of time and you know i know in the

3975
02:31:26,309 --> 02:31:23,920
past i've got a huge file of these kind

3976
02:31:28,389 --> 02:31:26,319
of cases and you know in the past

3977
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:28,399
no one wanted to listen to them because

3978
02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:29,680
you know mufon didn't want to hear

3979
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:31,200
anything about a ufo connected with a

3980
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:33,200
hairy creature and and the bigfoot

3981
02:31:37,270 --> 02:31:34,720
organizations you know as soon as they

3982
02:31:39,429 --> 02:31:37,280
heard the term you know ufo they said no

3983
02:31:41,429 --> 02:31:39,439
no no you gotta put your tinfoil hat on

3984
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:41,439
and go talk to the ufo guys

3985
02:31:45,670 --> 02:31:43,040
so you know a lot of this stuff got

3986
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:45,680
discarded again pitched to the wayside

3987
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:46,880
and those are the things that really

3988
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:48,160
intrigued me

3989
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:49,600
i find that

3990
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:51,520
there are

3991
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,640
high reports just in my experience in

3992
02:31:59,110 --> 02:31:56,640
areas that have

3993
02:32:01,670 --> 02:31:59,120
a wide range of anomalous activity

3994
02:32:04,230 --> 02:32:01,680
anyway so you know around the uintah

3995
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:04,240
basin is a great example uh you know

3996
02:32:08,070 --> 02:32:06,080
there are all these different reports of

3997
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:08,080
of these sasquatch-like creatures and

3998
02:32:11,429 --> 02:32:10,560
ufos and a wide range of other phenomena

3999
02:32:14,070 --> 02:32:11,439
so

4000
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:14,080
it may be indeed that we're looking at

4001
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:17,840
you know just geographical areas that

4002
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:20,560
draw in these things for some reason or

4003
02:32:25,590 --> 02:32:23,760
geological areas geological areas yeah i

4004
02:32:26,790 --> 02:32:25,600
think that we have to be open again and

4005
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:26,800
look at these

4006
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:29,200
areas these areas these window zones you

4007
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:32,479
know really compel me anyway because

4008
02:32:36,550 --> 02:32:34,319
you're talking about areas that can be

4009
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:36,560
found all over the world really that

4010
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:38,800
demonstrate a high concentration of

4011
02:32:43,910 --> 02:32:40,960
strangeness and there's something to

4012
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:43,920
that i i firmly believe but um i'm not

4013
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:45,920
necessarily convinced that phenomena are

4014
02:32:50,630 --> 02:32:48,399
specifically connected uh but there is

4015
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:50,640
something very intriguing there for sure

4016
02:32:55,030 --> 02:32:52,399
and there tends to be

4017
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:55,040
at least from you know the little that i

4018
02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:56,319
know compared to you guys but there

4019
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:58,160
tends to be a centering of a lot of

4020
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:00,319
these types of events around indian

4021
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:02,880
reservations indian reservations tend to

4022
02:33:06,309 --> 02:33:04,240
have uh

4023
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:06,319
quite a variety and and these things

4024
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:08,800
tend to crop up almost in flaps or waves

4025
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:10,560
where you'll have

4026
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:12,160
a bunch of different types of things all

4027
02:33:17,349 --> 02:33:14,960
going off at once uh i've noticed this

4028
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:17,359
uh time and time again

4029
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:19,920
before i get into to my next question i

4030
02:33:24,150 --> 02:33:21,760
just want to

4031
02:33:27,429 --> 02:33:24,160
throw this one out there in ellsbury

4032
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:27,439
missouri in uh in the 70s there was a

4033
02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:29,359
there was an outbreak of momo sightings

4034
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:31,120
uh it was a local bigfoot that was seen

4035
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:33,280
along the river there um i think the

4036
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:34,560
missouri river

4037
02:33:39,670 --> 02:33:37,680
and uh it was seen stealing sheep

4038
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:39,680
it was fairly aggressive and then right

4039
02:33:43,349 --> 02:33:41,680
after that you had quite an outbreak of

4040
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:43,359
cattle mutilations

4041
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:45,439
uh which i found

4042
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:46,720
pretty interesting in terms of the

4043
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:49,680
timing and then back in the early 70s

4044
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:53,040
around lawton oklahoma you had a very

4045
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:55,040
celebrated case of a wild man who was

4046
02:33:58,550 --> 02:33:56,640
dressed in clothing

4047
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:58,560
but was able to leap like you know off

4048
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:00,800
second and third story balconies

4049
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:03,280
was was almost like a spring heel jack

4050
02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:05,520
character but completely hair covered

4051
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:07,040
and one

4052
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:09,200
striking description was he had on a

4053
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:10,880
pair of pants or about two or three

4054
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:12,560
sizes too tight

4055
02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:15,120
and he wore a plaid shirt and then again

4056
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:17,200
you have the correlation of then uh

4057
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:19,760
cattle mutilation cases uh occurring in

4058
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:21,840
in the same area so

4059
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:23,760
you know the deeper you dig into this uh

4060
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,600
subject matter i think the more

4061
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:28,080
compelling it all becomes in the in the

4062
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:30,160
the bigger the hole in your hair from

4063
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:31,760
scratching your head

4064
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:34,720
it gets i think how about about bigfoot

4065
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,120
reports in conjunction with cavern

4066
02:34:40,870 --> 02:34:38,960
systems this is a theory that i've had

4067
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:40,880
for some time and i'm wondering what you

4068
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:42,240
guys think have you noticed a

4069
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:44,800
correlation between areas where we have

4070
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:48,000
caverns and cave systems and areas that

4071
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:50,000
tend to have bigfoot sightings

4072
02:34:54,710 --> 02:34:51,920
you know i'll weigh in on that one first

4073
02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:54,720
not as many as i expect in just in my

4074
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:57,280
experience in in my research you know

4075
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:59,120
i know a lot of people feel like these

4076
02:35:04,790 --> 02:35:01,760
creatures probably utilize caves

4077
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:04,800
extensively and um i've seen a little

4078
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:07,040
bit of evidence of that but again not

4079
02:35:10,790 --> 02:35:08,720
what you would really expect they seem

4080
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:10,800
to be more creatures of of opportunity

4081
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:12,800
and whatever's in their region is what

4082
02:35:15,510 --> 02:35:14,240
they'll utilize

4083
02:35:17,590 --> 02:35:15,520
of course a lot of people believe that

4084
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they build these tree structures and and

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so forth but um

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you know you would think that if they're

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using caves extensively that it would be

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a good place to find some solid evidence

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but uh i really haven't seen much of

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that

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about jim

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uh yeah i mean i'm trying to think of in

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02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,120
my area where i specifically

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02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:37,359
research a lot there isn't a lot of you

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02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:38,840
know caves or

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02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,280
caverns um but you know they're in

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02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:43,120
places like kentucky that have a little

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02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,800
bit more of that

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02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:46,479
certainly you have you know bigfoot

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02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:48,560
sightings in those areas that you know

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02:35:52,469 --> 02:35:49,840
naturally

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you know these creatures would

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02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:54,800
probably use those things i find in fact

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02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:56,479
i find a lot of

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02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:58,800
in the history of southern bigfoot

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um and i just i'm completing a new book

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02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:04,560
on on that subject i find a lot of old

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02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:07,040
stories involve

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02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:10,160
sightings of wild men in cave areas and

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02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,000
that that seems to be more prevalent

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02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:14,399
than like modern times where oh you know

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02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:17,040
we were in this cave and suddenly we

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02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:18,880
you know scared up a bigfoot or we saw

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02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:20,720
one in proximity to a cave so i see a

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02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,479
lot of old reports

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02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:25,040
having to do with caves so you know they

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02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:26,560
you know they're just naturally animals

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02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:28,160
use caves i think it makes a lot of

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02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:29,200
sense

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02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:30,560
you know that they would be sighted in

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02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:31,840
those areas

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02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:33,840
the guy that built built my family's

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02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:37,439
house in 1970 was roger patterson's best

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02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,880
friend next door neighbor grew up with

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02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:40,800
him went to school with him knew him it

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02:36:45,270 --> 02:36:43,200
was one of his closest friends

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02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:45,280
and he mentioned something about a

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02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:48,080
enclave a rather large population in the

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02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:50,560
center of british columbia that was

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02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:54,000
only accessible by a real narrow slot

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02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:55,040
opening

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if you're willing we may pick up some of

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weatherly tell our listeners please

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where they can find more of your stuff

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sure well whatnots is available on

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t-w-o-c-r-o-w-s paranormal dot blogspot

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dot com hot links on there for uh all

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